Talk:Surf (move)

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Add something to Trivia?

I think we should add that this move can be learned by most of the pokemon (123 in Generation IV). Or that this is the most learned Water type in this game so far.

no, because moves like Hidden Power and Toxic can be learned by ANYONE. itd be like saying Fly can be learned by almost any Flying type. its self explanitory. Surf = water type. therefor, almost all the water types can learn it, along with the odd one here and there. MAGNEDETHTALK 04:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Ditto, Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Wurmple, Silcoon and Cascoon can't learn hidden power or toxic (Unown can't learn Toxic either), i believe. Chuck67322 05:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

He means All pokemon that can learn TM's and HM's can learn those moves SpecialK 15:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Hidden beta item

I think we should add this little trivia fact (I have done this, and it works!): There's a hidden key item in the Generation 1 games called ????? that allows you to Surf outside of battle without the need for HM03. It can be obtained with the Gameshark code for item modifying, with the hex variable set to 07. If the game is saved while the code is active, the item stays in the pouch like any other key item, even after the GameShark is removed. To use, just go up to water, and select it from the item pouch. The item was created in the beta versions, and later made unavailable, but not removed entirely. --隼也 じゅんや 17:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like it could just be a simple glitch rather than a beta item. --FabuVinny T-C-S 19:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, but either way, it's there, and I just think people should know about it. --隼也 じゅんや 21:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Not to butt in on an old conversation, but the item was a beta for game testers to progress easier. It's like, a surfboard item or something. CherryParanoia 18:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Anime Surf

Unless the trainer specifically says's "Use Surf", then the occurrence should not be listed under the 'In the anime' section. --Theryguy512 22:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Pics in the article

Why does the picture in this article show Pikachu use Surf? I think it's better to use a picture of a Pokémon who can normally learn the move and not Pikachu that learn it only by event. ---Samu- 17:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put it there...probably put it up for bragging rights. I think what's important is that a pic of a Pokémon using the move is there. |>H1|2357R1K3 19:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah the new trivia...

You know, it'd be better if we had a list of these moves, or a category... or something. TTEchidna 18:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that just be a matter of going through the TM, HM and move tutor moves? I'm fairly sure, but could be mistaken, that all TMs and MTs are learned via level up for one Pokémon, so that just leaves the HMs. Cut, Strength, Rock Smash, Dive, Rock Climb and Surf...? — THE TROM — 21:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Not Dive. Nine Pokémon learn it via leveling up in Gen. IV. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, when I added that earlier today, I actually didn't pay any attention to the move I was looking at. Realizing that it's an HM makes much sense. Kevin Y (talk) 22:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


I know Squirtle has never outright used the move surf but the move page indicates that it has. As I realize that Ash has used him for water transportation multiple times I can understand why someone might put that BUT this is still an inconsistancy between pages and I'm not sure which one should be changed...same goes for Misty's Starmie -- D558 01:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? That was taken out a while ago and somebody added it back.... R.A. Hunter Blade 16:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I added it. On the Pokemon race thing, Misty surfs on Starmie, and Pikachu surfs on squirtle. They were surfing, so i just added it. User:Littlmiget123
That's just swimming quickly though. Otherwise EVERY Water Pokémon would know Surf. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:But Misty and Pikachu was riding on their backs? User: Littlmiget123
Swimming, while ferrying passengers. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 18:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
It's like in Mewtwo Strikes Back, when everyone rode on a Water Pokémon to get to the island. It's just swimming. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In SuperSmashBros.Brawl he can use it if that helps... SpecialK 15:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


Mewtwo is listed as being capable of using Surf in every generation on this page, but on Mewtwo's page it is not listed on his moveset, nor can I find any evidence that Mewtwo can learn Surf anywhere else.--JacobCrystal 20:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe that's called a fail. —darklordtrom 20:40, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Double Battles - Base Power

Shouldn't it be pointed out that Surf's Base Power drops if facing two opponents in a Double Battle? And that the Base Power is restored if there's only 1 opponent left in the Double Battle. Well, it is in Gen III anyway. I don't know if the partner-hitting properties of Surf added in Gen IV changes that last fact. --Raylax 23:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

surfing sprite

i really dont believe the surfing sprite for gen. 4 is a wailmer... just llok at it closely, its body is longer than wailmer. - unsigned comment from Wisp82 (talkcontribs)

Move image replacement

How about this? Got the transparencies fixed.

--Turtwig Lover 10:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


Is there any reason why there are 2 lists for generation 4? I'd do something about it, but I want to ask first.Pokemon champ 21:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I accidentally typed Generation IV instead of Generation V in the heading for the new section and another user must have mistaken that as Generation IV being missing and added it entirely. I fixed it. Jaroda 21:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

PIka Surf

Red's Pika in the adventures know surf. Pikachu can learn normaly not surf. Onlly from a event. So why we do not use a picture of Pika that surf uses.--Nazirbashir 14:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

--Nazirbashir 14:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
In a nutshell, Red's Pika uses Surf by forming its Subsitute to look like a surfboard. The description for the move entries is to describe how the Pokemon in question use the attack. Not all Pikachu are going to know Substitute and Surf at the same time. It's sort of the same deal with ChuChu's Fly: we can't list it because it ties balloons to itself. Littlmiget123 15:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


Shouldn't we have images of the non-Pikachu surf in PBR and the non-Pikachu outside of battle images for Gen I and Gen II? These are unique cases after all. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

In-battle, there really isn't any difference in the move's execution. Out-of-battle however, I think there should be separate images. --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


Tauros temporarily lost ability to learn Surf in Generation III (according to article), despite being able to learn it in Generation II, IV and V. This is the first time I saw such oddity in learnset of HM (discounting the moves that lost their HM status). Is it worth noting? Marked +-+-+ 17:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Tauros can learn Surf in Generation III. It must have not been added or something. Littlmiget123 17:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Surfing sprite

" In Generation I, a Dewgong is shown (although this was just the Water-type sprite; unless Pikachu is surfing, where a surfing Pikachu sprite is shown instead)." There is no way that anyone knows that that's a Dewgong. The only resemblance between it and a Dewgong is that they are both white and have flippers and a tail. Who's to say it's not a Seel? It doesn't really look like either of the two if you ask me. Dannyjenn 16:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


Is it just me, or there was no Pokémon found via surfing until Pokémon Yellow? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


Should't Surf be considered a counterpart to Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, and Ice Beam? It has 95 power, and the same amount of PP as Flamethrower and Thunderbolt. TyphlosionTheBurninator (talk) 23:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

No because it's an HM. JDDJS (talk) 20:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's not that; it's because it doesn't have any secondary effect like all the others do. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Also it hits multiple targets in Double/Triple Battles. --SnorlaxMonster 12:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Quibbles with Diablo del Oeste

First and least importantly, I don't think it's necessary to mention the change in Surfing Pikachu's color, since it only exists because of the way Gen I had to change the entire palette of the game, while Gen II could handle more colors simultaneously.

Secondly, the Gen III sprites. Look at the RSE sprite and look at Wailmer. The flippers are completely different, there's no underbelly, and generally speaking, there are practically zero distinguishing characteristics to identify it as any particular Pokemon. I don't agree that the FRLG sprite is recognizable as Poliwrath, but I can see where there's more wiggle room than RSE. The backside is difficult to make out even when zoomed in, but to me it looks more like a two-pronged tail than legs. The top of the head is rounded, without bumps for its eyes. And if it were meant to be Poliwrath, you'd think its prominent arms would be featured. Nope, I really think both Gen III sprites are just generic sprites. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 08:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

So you say that my edits are quibbles? Well, I find this disgusting and disrespectful. I reported you to Magnedeth, he will take care of your aggressiveness. I found in your user page that you like being aggresive to other users, well, let's see if this kind of behavior will make you last.
Now, about the sprites. I think it's necessary to mention the change in color in Generation II, because this time Surfing Pikachu was given a fixed color, not the inconstant palettes of Gen I everytime you moved into a city. We mentioned the difference between red and blue Lapras, well, why not Surfing Pikachu between both generations, too? About the Wailmer one, I think it can't be confused with another Pokémon, its body shape is clearly from a Wailmer. And moreover, when the Wailmers are blocking the route east of Lilycove City in Generation III, their sprites are shown, I don't see how low resolution has something to do with this. And about Poliwrath, well let's see what we've got here, the sprite is blue, it has eyes that protrude from the body, it has the same legs, it doesn't looks like Seaking or Cloyster, or any other Generation I Water-type. So it clearly resembles the anatomy of a Poliwrath (or in any case, Poliwhirl). And that's why they are recognizable sprites, not like those from Gen IV onwards which aren't.--Diablo del Oeste (talk) 09:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
What? My intention is not aggression at all. You're completely misreading my tone.
I apologize for the use of the word "quibble"; I did not mean it as an insult to you or your intended edits, but merely to signify that flavor-related things such as this are less important to the article than things like learnset tables or battle/contest statistics.
I'll concede to you that mentioning the 1/2 color change is notable, but I think it would fit better on another page rather than this one because the palette change is broader in scope than just surfing sprites. I've added it to the Generation II page; if this is not acceptable to you, just say so.
I'd like to wait for more people's opinions on the Gen III sprites than just ours because I am convinced they're generic, but I won't push the issue if other people agree with you. I've said what I wanted to say above, so if that's not persuasive enough, so be it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Lapras in Gev VI

So, I found out about this a few days ago and wanted to share this with everyone:

In Pokemon X/Y, if one uses Surf which a Lapras has learned, instead of the casual "boat", said Lapras appears. This obviously is a reference to the anime, when Ash was riding his Lapras during the Orange Islands season of the anime. - unsigned comment from Tasos500 (talkcontribs)

That's already noted on both this and Lapras' page. And no it isn't. The anime didn't invent the concept of riding on a Lapras. Ataro (talk) 20:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Then what is it a reference to? Tacopill (talk) 02:54, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does it have to be a reference to anything? Why can't it just be a plain old Lapras? But if you insist on it being a reference, it's more likely to be a reference to the fact that in Gen I (and II), Lapras was the overworld minisprite for Surfing. Gen VI is really heavy with references to Gen I (Snorlax, for instance), so in the off chance this is a reference to anything, I think that's the most likely candidate. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
(On second glance, it looks like I misremembered; Seel is the minisprite in Gen I. Lapras was in Gen II, though, so it still sort of stands. And I still think it doesn't have to be a reference at all.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I completely missed the Viridian Forest reference, so, I was thinking that maybe there were other references I missed; this one being a case. Tacopill (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Lapras in XY

If the player use Lapras to surf then you end surfing on Lapras, so can someone who can screen capture, get the image and put it on the page. Thanks.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 12:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

This could suffice... Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
it was more to go along with the surfing minisprites underneath the others--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 12:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Now that I look at the section we also need the female character surfing for that bit:

RBY Surf.png 025 I Surfing OD.png
GSC Surf M.png C Surf F.png Doll Surf Pikachu II.png
RS Surf M.png RS Surf F.png
FRLG Surf M.png FRLG Surf F.png
E Surf M.png E Surf F.png
DP Surf M.png DP Surf F.png
Pt Surf M.png Pt Surf F.png
HGSS Surf M.png HGSS Surf F.png
BW Surf M.png BW Surf F.png
B2W2 Surf M.png B2W2 Surf F.png
XY Surf M.png

What does everyone else think about having different images for each of the 6 different player models (So the basic versions you pick at the start of the game)--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

If they're all looking to the side like that, you'd hardly be able to tell one version from the next for the male, at least. The female wouldn't really be all that different either. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
If I'm reading what you said right then we should still have the female one for consitancy. Also the Lapras spirte for each one because it is different to what is already in the table anyway.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 15:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, they've introduced a lot of new mechanics into surfing, more Pokémon have custom sprites, and at least one (Sharpedo) has a different speed then other Pokémon that can surf, I know it should be added into the article, but I'm not quite sure what all Pokémon have differences, or how the best way to add it in would be. I know that Lapras, Wailmer, and Sharpedo all have custom surfing sprites, but I'm not sure whether or not that's all of them. And Sharpedo has a different speed then other Pokémon, being the speed of the Mach bike rather than running speed. Anyone know of some others? -EVsandIVsaurs 19:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

It would also be good if we could get some sprites of the other surfing models in ORAS. waterlubber 01:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Kyogre is the only one not listed here. --SnorlaxMonster 14:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


I'd like to verify this, please: In the first two generations one can talk to NPCs on land while Surfing. Shawn (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Top line for Trivia

Since some Pokémon can now learn Surf via level up with Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, the top line for trivia doesn't work anymore. Either scrap it or slightly adjust it? For example: "Until the release of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, Surf was the only former HM move that no Pokémon could learn via leveling up." Terraferme (talk) 03:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)