Talk:Illusion (Ability)

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Should I create the article, or is there not enough info?alec9 * - * 23:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

We don't know enough about it. CuboneKing 23:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Not only that, but the page has been protected from being created by anyone other than an admin, due to possible speculation. Wolf 23:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


I was under the impression that Zorua was also confirmed to have Illusion. Can someone add this? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 01:28, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that it wasn't confirmed for Zorua.----RegiRuler 23:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

moar detail

It's been confirmed that Zoroark/Zorua turns into the first Pokemon on your team, or the second one if Zoroark/Zorua is already the first on your team. Add to article, plz? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 10:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think it mightve been that it always changes to your second pokemon on your team but still, either way someone should add that. Pokemonemerfan1954 02:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


I remember reading somewhere that Illusion keeps the type of the Pokémon the same, meaning Zoroark will still be dark. Shouldn't that be noted? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 19:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

wrong interwiki-link

Its the wrong interwiki-link to pokéwiki, the right is illusion like hereEmpoleon96 00:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes. The correct link is de:Illusion. de:Betrug is a move. --SnorlaxMonster 09:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Fixed. Werdnae (talk) 09:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Zorua (ver. 2)

It's pretty obvious by now that Zorua used it's illusion ability in the movie and it should be added to the in the anime section right?

ello? Ataro 02:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Ataro is right, someone needs to update this.. I can't.. and I'm sure he can't either.. Landfish7 20:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
If an admin is reading this please update the article stating that Zorua's ability was activated during the movie. --Landfish7 21:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
It's only been one hour. Why so impatient? Though this should be unprotected now... It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 21:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't have the power to change the protection level of pages, but how is this? Is that what you wanted? Also, I'm assuming that Zoroark used it first, but I need to know so I can flag one as debut. --SnorlaxMonster 12:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Typing & Moves

The article isn't really clear on these. Does the ability affect the Pokémon's type as well? And if so, how does the ability react? For example, if it changed to the same type as the second Pokémon, which happened to be fighting-type, and Zoruark was hit by a Psychic-type move, is it super-effective or ineffective? And what about the second Pokémon's moveset? Is that copied as well?--Black Yin Zekrom 22:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The ability doesn't change type. It apparently doesn't change moves either. It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 11:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

So what, you're telling me this is only good for tricking the opponent into switching for something Zoruark can fit or somethin? That s a very limited ability.--Black Yin Zekrom 02:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

  • It might seem like that at first, but when you consider how frequently a lot of Pokemon are "limited" to only a small selection of possible builds, tricking them into sending out something that Zoroark can take easily becomes a good way to tip the battle in your favor. Diachronos 04:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
A comic I read recently exhibits how Illusion is useful. The opponent has an Espeon out, you send out your Zoroark as a Machamp. Espeon uses Psychic, obviously, but Zoroark's Dark type negates it. Then Zoroark uses Dark Pulse and U-Turn and wins.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 18:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


When Zorua (or Zoroark) transformed into a human in the movie, were they able to speak?--Darknesslover5000 06:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Illusion vs. Transform

How, exactly, would a Pokémon react if it used Transform against an opponent with its Illusion up? Would it copy the Illusion, but become Dark-type and have Zorua/Zoroark's moves? Or would it just turn straight into Zoroark?—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Transform doesn't work and the "The move failed!" message pops up. In other words, Ditto would keep using Transform over and over again and it would never turn into the Pokemon with Illusion, staying as a Ditto. RedLuigi 17:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


The article says that Illusion affects the species name. How about nicknames? The “Tranier is about to send out Zoroark!” message should probably be mentioned as well. En-Cu-Kou 16:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

It actually copies the species name, or the nickname if it has one. So, if you have Zorua/Zoroark as first in your party, and a Serperior named "King" as the last, when you send out your Zorua/Zoroark it would say "Go! King!" EnosShayrem 02:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Working on Zorua/Zoroark

Does this work if you try to use Illusion to copy Zorua/Zoroark? Two examples:

  • If a Zoroark is in party slot 1, and a Zorua is in party slot 6.
  • If a non-shiny Zoroark is in party slot 1, and a shiny Zoroark is in party slot 6.

XVuvuzela2010X 03:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Just tested this out. Zoroark can, in fact, copy not only Zorua but also other Zoroarks, as differentiated by nickname (or lack thereof). A Zoroark's illusion of copying a Zoroark can still be broken, revealing the original Zoroark; even if the one it was copying had the exact same name/gender/Poké Ball/Shininess. - Saethori 06:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


Should it be noted that Illusion and Transform are similar in the anime?FrankTheTank000 23:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

No. And they aren't. Ataro 23:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


1. Zorua/Zoroark do not copy genders, so you can be a female Zoro disguised as a male Machamp, and the opposing opponent is a Tauros with Attract. It will work, like Captivate.

2. There is a way to know that the Pokemon in question is Zoro without attacking, and just viewing. Lets say Zoro copies a Weavy, and if you see closely, the Pressure message won't pop up, therefore you know it is a Zoro even before doing anything.

I don't know if these 2 things should be noted. ~ Blitzamirin ~ 04:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Ditto Effect?

What happens if a player has two Zorua and one is at the end of the party? Will it fail completely or will it be like a Ditto vs Ditto kind of thing where it shows the effect of it transforming but nothing happens? Frenchhorn 19:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It will fail. --SnorlaxMonster 11:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Mystery Dungeon

Shouldn't there be a description for how it works in Mystery Dungeon?--Darknesslover5000 (talk) 19:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Effect on AI trainers

Does a Pokémon with Illusion actually trick the AI? Or does the AI cheat and still know that it's, say, a Zorua even though the Illusion wasn't broken yet? This could easily be tested. Put a pure Fighting or Poison type Pokémon (like Machop) in the last spot in your party, put a slow Zorua (just to make sure that the AI Pokémon goes first) in the first spot and go up against a trainer with a Pokémon that has Psychic attacks, but not solely Psychic attacks.
If the AI doesn't cheat, it would use a Psychic move which is super effective against Machop, the Pokémon that Zorua appears to be. If the AI does cheat, it would never use Psychic attacks because those do no damage to Zorua. I can't test this because I don't own the game, but I feel like that's vital information that is sadly missing from this article. Nixitur (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, it won't be notable if the AI is indeed "fooled" by Illusion. That should be expected. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Maybe not, but what would be notable is how the AI would then react after that. If it tries to hit what it thinks is a Machop with a super-effective move and that Machop is inexplicably immune against that move, would it then blindly continue using that move, despite its ineffectiveness? Or would it get the hint that maybe things are not as they seem and switch to a different move? Both cases seem notable to me, but trainer AI is generally barely documented on this wiki, so that might be just me. Nixitur (talk) 18:26, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
You're right, that gets into whether we should talk about AI behavior at all, or where. And as far as this page goes, things are complicated by the fact that there is not one universal AI. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Usage by NPC

I thought I should point out that in the battle with Sidney, when he is about to send out Zoroark, the message "Elite Four Sydney is about to send in <Pokémon>. Will you switch your Pokémon?" uses the name of the Pokémon it's disguised as (assuming "Switch" is enabled). --SnorlaxMonster 04:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Learning A Move

In Pokémon Sun and Moon, when a Pokémon with Illusion attempts to learn a new move (at least while not in the lead spot in battle, I have not tested any other way, this was something I came across while training a Zorua with another Pokémon in the last spot on my team while battling with yet another Pokémon) it seems to use the name of the Pokémon in the last slot of the party, such as"<Pokémon in the last slot> wants to learn <Move>". Seems notable.TraxScrip813 (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Dynamax and Gigantamax

I've tested: A) Whether or not Zoroark can Dynamax and become the Pokémon it is disguised as. B) Whether or not Zoroark is able to Gigantamax when disguised as a Pokémon that can. C) Whether or not Zoroark can Dynamax if transformed into Zacian, Zamazenta, or Eternatus.

I used Zoroark in the front and a Gigantamax-capable Flapple as the back pokemon.

Zoroark was able to Dynamax as Flapple, but it did not become Gigantamax Flapple.

Zoroark was not able to Dynamax as Zacian, Zamazenta, or Eternatus.

Therefore, "If a Pokémon transforms into a Dynamax Pokémon, it will successfully transform but not become Dynamaxed. Transformed Pokémon can Dynamax, unless they are transformed into Zacian, Zamazenta, or Eternatus. Transform does not copy the Gigantamax Factor, so even if a Pokémon transforms into a Pokémon that can Gigantamax, the transformed Pokémon will be able to Dynamax but not Gigantamax. If the target is Eternamax Eternatus, the user transforms into the regular version of Eternatus."

Perhaps we can use this quote for the ability page as well.