Talk:Ultra Beast

Ultra Beast connection to Legendary

Should Ultra Beasts be count as a another class of Legendaries like Deity and Myhtical?--Jacob Kogan (talk) 23:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I think they should be legendary - they fit the definition - but it's not really my decision. I am discussing this currently on a different thread and the opinions on this site seem to be pretty divided. ----Celadonkey (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks fro letting me know. Nintendo sure knows how to make Pokemon interesting huh?--Jacob Kogan (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo doesn't make the games, GAMEFREAK does, but yes. ----Celadonkey (talk) 23:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Mythical Pokémon are not a class of Legendary Pokémon, they are an entirely separate group (although the distinction was not made in European languages until Generation V, it's always existed in Japanese). "Deity" is not a class of Legendary Pokémon; assuming you're referring to the guardian deities, there's no evidence that they are Legendary Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 07:06, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

There are new classifications in Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon: Legendaries and Sub-Legendaries. You can see this through the Pokedex and through the data of the game. The Totem Pokemon, Type: Null, Silvally, and around half the UBs are considered Sub-Legendaries. Zygarde, the Cosmog line, Necrozma, and Magearna are considered Legendary. --Lighthouse (talk) 02:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

If you're referring to the background colors in the Pokédex, those split the Pokémon up into groups, but they don't give names for those groups, so we can't claim they're "Legendaries and Sub-Legendaries". Meanwhile, Rotom makes special comments highlighting when you add a Legendary or a Mythical (they're not the same thing, and Magearna is the latter), but not for the things you're labeling as "Sub-Legendaries". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Haven't dataminers found out a code called "sublegend" listing All non-box legendaries (Zygarde and Necrozma) and non-mythical pokemon? The list included Type:Null/Silvally, the Tapu, and UBs as well. I personally believe Mythical Pokemon are still considered "Legendary", and the fact that Magearna shares the same color in the PokeDex as the Cosmog line, Necrozma, and Zygarde kind of says something. Though that there is just speculation, the sublegendary thing were from codes. --Lighthouse (talk) 08:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Cosmog, UB or no?

There appears to be conflicting information on this. In game text states that Cosmog's line are theorized to be ultra beasts, but they lack many of the characteristics unique to the group. Should Cosmog's line be listed here, or at least mentioned as possibly being connected? Lyriq (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I think it still should be as it has Property related to the Ultra Beast like the energy that powers upUltra Beast and Totem Pokemon, they fact its Pokedex entry and the Legends said it came from another World, Ultra Space. and the fact and it can Ultra Portals just like the Ultra Beast. A connection--Jacob Kogan (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The auras don't necessarily make a Pokemon an Ultra Beast-none of the totem Pokemon are considered Ultra Beasts-and Cosmog was never shown to have an aura. The fact that it's from another world does give some weight to the idea, but it only says it's from another world-it never said it was from Ultra Space. (unless I'm forgetting something said in Ultra Space-I'm fairly certain I'm not, though) And the Ultra Beasts were never shown to be able to open the Ultra Wormhole-that's sort of why they're lashing out, because they don't know how to get back. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

And yet the Aether Foundation said its a Ultra Beast. What was their reason and proof that it was an Ultra Beast and remember that Alternative World that was introduce in the games.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 01:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

You'll have to jog my memory there, I don't recall any point in which the Aether Foundation referred to Cosmog as an Ultra Beast. If they had, I'm pretty sure the debate would have been settled much sooner. And it's not like it's impossible to add multiple alternate universes in one generation-Gen 4 had the Distortion World and the first references to the Ghost World in the games. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 02:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

In Aether Paradise B2F, there si alan with he Notes of Cosmog, one of them mentions its an Ultra Beast--Jacob Kogan (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

That file says Cosmog is hypothesized to be a type of Ultra Beast that hails from another dimension. The key word here is hypothesized-even the Aether Foundation is just speculating. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

The developers had to have included that line for a reason, though. It seems to me that we should at least include a note to the effect of The Aether Foundation hypothesizes Cosmog to be a type of Ultra Beast, even if it's only in the trivia section. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I'm definitely not opposed to including that line as trivia, I just don't think it should be taken as confirmation that Cosmog is an Ultra Beast. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 05:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

That sounds fair to me, let's do that--Jacob Kogan (talk) 05:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

They also hypothesized that Cosmog is an Ultra Beast from Ultra Space, due to its ability to create Ultra Wormholes. is already on the page. --Abcboy (talk) 05:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Master Ball

So, the Ultra Beasts ignore any non-Beast Ball's enhanced catch rate multiplier, right? Does this mean they can break out of Master Balls? And if so, should this be noted in the article? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 03:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Even though the Ultra Beasts ignore any non-Beast Ball's enhanced catch rate multiplier the Master Ball never fails to catch one. I tested this theory by hacking in Master Balls and it never failed to catch an Ultra Beast. Lolo0912 (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Ultra Beast AI. Smarter?

I find that they are quite smarter than most opponents with their attacks. Here's my experiences:

• Nihilego only used Power Gem against me; never used any other attacks.

• Buzzwole only used Lunge on my Haunter because it was immune to its other attacks (at least until it ran out of PP)

• Buzzwole always used either DynamicPunch or Hammer Arm on my Snorlax; never Lunge or Counter. (This was probably random, I admit).

• Xurkitree only used Power Whip against my Zygarde, never Discharge

• Kartana always used X-Scissor or Detect against my own Kartana, never Leaf Blade or Air Slash.

Can someone else please confirm or debunk this? Unowninator (talk) 23:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I can confirm it...for everything. Especially trainers. I don't think there's anything special for UB's but every trainer I've faces with a super effective move used it and only it. ----Celadonkey (talk) 00:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Totem Pokémon work the same way, only using the most effective moves. I would be careful calling it "smarter" though; I find it far easier to manipulate, since the moves they choose are usually easy to predict based on your active Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 04:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)