Talk:Floette (Pokémon)

AZ's Floette

Surely it deserves a mention here? But where should it go? The NPC section doesn't seem quite fitting. --Wynd Fox 05:10, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it needs a mention. NPC section for sure.--BigBadBatter (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Friend Safari Floette

If you can catch Floette in the Friend Safari, what color will its flower be? Since it depends on the color of the flower bed and/or Poké Radar (for colors without a flower bed), does it have a specific color set for the Friend Safari Floette? -- Pringles 00:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure, but I know for a fact that you can catch Flabebe white and orange in normal grass, without needing the radar btw, so I'd assume maybe the Floette in friend safaris are either random or only orange and white. - 050294 (talk) 08:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

They're random, I have 2 Friend Safaris with blue and yellow in them. - Blazios _talk 09:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Eternal Flower Floette

Info for Eternal Flower Floette has been revealed on Serebii, so I'm adding it as my first contribution to this site. Puppyfaic (talk) 01:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Except we don't steal information from Serebii. Wait until it is official. --TruePikachu (talk) 01:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I see. I apologize. I didn't think it would be considered stealing. Puppyfaic (talk) 01:24, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually there are videos you could use as a source, so you could find the videos and ask the higher-ups if it's ok to proceed ith the edit.----BigBadBatter 06:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

If the videos aren't from an official source, such as Nintendo, we don't allow then as a source. Crystal Talian 06:12, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Ah, fair enough. I imagine that the Floette was generated with a Powersave anyway, so if a Bulbapedian gets one then we may be able t edit it.----BigBadBatter 06:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I say, fuck Gamefreak. The hackers worked hard on spoiling all their coding, we should honor them by being 100% honest about everything we know. Who cares if a bunch of 5-year-olds living on Mars are spoiled, they already take that risk using Igglybuffs and Pikachus to fight Kyogres and Garchomps. Greener223224 (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but the staff has already made their stance on the issue perfectly clear, so unless you're providing a valid source, the answer's still the same. --Pokemaster97 22:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflicted) Except we can't be 100% sure that the information is actually accurate. As of right now, the 3DS's software is not able to be data mined by just anyone. As a result, only a very few number of sources can actually give information. For all we know, they could be trolling us. Also, especially with Floette, it could just be dummied-out or never-used data; look at ???-type Arceus, for instance. It might have at one point been intended that the Player battles AZ, who used Floette. The point is, until the information is either official or can be confirmed by anybody, it doesn't go on Bulbapedia, unless an Administrator gives the OK, which hasn't happened yet AFAIK. --TruePikachu (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC), edited --TruePikachu (talk) 22:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

But it can be confirmed by anybody with a Powersave 3DS, that's why Latios and Latias have had their mega evolutions added. I don't think this will be a repeat of ???-Arceus, given it has completely different base stats and Light of Ruin. It's clearly intended to be an event of some sort. Even if it does turn out to be a repeat of ???-Arceus, it still needs to be mentioned. Jmvb (talk) 14:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Light of Ruin is a real move I Can Confirm because,one, it was found by tons of hackers, two, in the lumios hotel game were you have to remember orders and stuff, the move was said in one of the orders. - unsigned comment from Superbobbobbob3 (talk • contribs)

Although we cannot mention AZ's Floette event Pokémon status, maybe we could at least mention its existence as a non-player character...--Wolfy Harfleur 76700 (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I am a bit confused here. People can add data of unofficially revealed Pokemons like 'Mega Latios' & 'Mega Latias' in their sections, but info regarding 'Eternal Floette' can't be added?

Isn't the source for all of them the same i.e., by using some sort of hack.--LatS (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Eternal Flower again

The previous such discussion in 2014 failed to obtain the green-light for inclusion of the Eternal forme's stats in the article. However, thanks to recent developments in the 3DS scene, it is now technically practical to data-mine, and also for anyone else to verify such data.

I dumped the romfs of my game (Pokémon Y) and have the data for the Eternal Flower forme. Yeah, I am a nobody, and if the policy in 2014 has remained the same, I am not an authoritative source either. Nevertheless, here is the data for documentation and future verification:

Stat		Range
		At Lv. 50	At Lv. 100
HP: 74		134 - 181	258 - 352
Attack: 65		63 - 128	121 - 251
Defense: 67		64 - 130	125 - 256
Sp. Atk: 125		117 - 194	229 - 383
Sp. Def: 128		119 - 198	234 - 390
Speed: 92		87 - 158	170 - 311
Total: 551	Other Pokémon with this total
Minimum stats are calculated with 0 EVs, IVs of 0, and (if applicable) a hindering nature. Maximum stats are calculated with 252 EVs, IVs of 31, and (if applicable) a helpful nature.

Learnset is identical to that of other formes, only exceptions being Light of Ruin designated as a level 50 level-up move.

Something of note is that the Eternal Flower forme has a base EXP yield of 243. This could be the first case of a Pokemon having different EXP yields based on its forme. Chenzw (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Eternal Floette, yet again.

I understand, and support, omitting a Pokémon that can’t be proven to exist, such as the Gen VI mythicals when X and Y were newer, but currently, anyone has access to technology to power save in their own Eternal Flower Floette. Also, AZ’s a Floette plays a major role in the “plot” of X and Y, and it can even be seen in cutscenes in game.

Currently we have some game data on the Eternal Floette, and in my opinion we should add the rest. --Celadonkey 15:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, we do have all the data on it, it's just on Pokémon X and Y beta#Eternal Flower Floette rather than here. To make that more obvious and accessible, I've added a line to the top of the page linking there. IMO this is enough until/unless the form is ever released, but IDK if you'll feel the same way. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah that’s pretty good. Still it would be nice to have it on the page. Although it isn’t anything I feel strongly about.

Side note: most of the data is on this page, it’s just crossed out by the <! brackets. --Celadonkey 21:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Is there any reason we don't have Eternal Flower Floette among Floette's formes in the infobox, along with a Formes section with it? Because if not, I would like to add them. Golden Trainer (talk) 00:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Because is was unreleased, hacking is not a legitimate way to obtain a Pokémon. We've made it a point that hacking in not legitimate, and that extends to Eternal Floette.--ForceFire 04:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

What does legitimacy have to do with anything? It's still an official form that exists in the game. We treat unreleased content like the Hall of Origin, the Fairy Gem, etc. the same way as everything else. And for items, we list their unreleased appearances in the infobox. For instance, we include the post-Gen 4 appearances of the Jade Orb in its infobox, even though in Gen 5-7 it's just an unused, non-functional leftover from HGSS. How is Eternal Floette any different? Should we remove the Fairy Gem from the Gem article, or Light of Ruin from the Fairy article? Golden Trainer (talk) 04:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)