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When did Professor Oak's lecture start?-09MurphyM
==Article creation==
:[[DP001]][[User:Pokemaniac102|<font color=#FF0000>Po</font><font color=#FFFF00>ke</font>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<font color=#00FF00>Ma</font><font color=#00FFFF>ni</font><font color=#0000FF>ac</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<font color=#FF00FF>102</font>]] 03:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
When did Professor Oak's lecture start? {{unsigned|09MurphyM}}
:[[DP001]] [[User:Pokemaniac102|<font color=#FF0000>Po</font><font color=#FFFF00>ke</font>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<font color=#00FF00>Ma</font><font color=#00FFFF>ni</font><font color=#0000FF>ac</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<font color=#FF00FF>102</font>]] 03:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, beforehand. I think we should make a list of Oak's lectures. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, beforehand. I think we should make a list of Oak's lectures. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
...But we really don't need to individually list all the episodes it was on hiatus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::...But we really don't need to individually list all the episodes it was on hiatus. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:How long was it on hiatus? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::How long was it on hiatus? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::From [[AG105]] to the end of AG. It was replaced by "Pokemon Trivia Quiz". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 16:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::From [[AG105]] to the end of AG. It was replaced by "Pokemon Trivia Quiz". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 16:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the same. In my opinion only the episodes <i>with</i> the Lecture should be listed, insted of <i>all</i> of them. [[User:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#290085"><b>Rikki Kitsune</b></span>]] ~ [[User talk:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#290085">リッキ キツネ</span>]] 17:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think the same. In my opinion only the episodes <i>with</i> the Lecture should be listed, insted of <i>all</i> of them. [[User:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#290085"><b>Rikki Kitsune</b></span>]] ~ [[User talk:RikkiKitsune|<span style="color:#290085">リッキ キツネ</span>]] 17:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


::::Well, we probably shouldn't really begin doing clearout work until we have all of the lectures (at least from the first three generations, as [[Generation IV]] is still ongoing). A lot of the pre-Advanced Generation lectures are still missing from the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, we probably shouldn't really begin doing clearout work until we have all of the lectures (at least from the first three generations, as [[Generation IV]] is still ongoing). A lot of the pre-Advanced Generation lectures are still missing from the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:I just found the trivia part in [[EP061]]: "This is the first episode in the Japanese version to feature Oak's Pokémon Lecture, which would last until mid-Advanced Generation series then start again in the early Diamond and Pearl series."
:Shouldn't we delete the part of EP001 to EP060??? Also I find the old pokemon video in a video site,I will add the content as I have time:)--[[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpun]] 9:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::Source for that being the definitive start?I was under the impression that we didn't know for sure. Either way, there isn't much point in keeping a huge gap. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 09:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


:::::I just found the trivia part in [[EP061]]:
==DP Name Change==
 
:::::"This is the first episode in the Japanese version to feature Oak's Pokémon Lecture, which would last until mid-Advanced Generation series then start again in the early Diamond and Pearl series. " 
 
:::::Shouldn't we delete the part of EP001 to EP060??? Also I find the old pokemon video in a video site,I will add the content as I have time:)--[[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpun]] 9:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Source for that being the definitive start?  I was under the impression that we didn't know for sure.  Either way, there isn't much point in keeping a huge gap. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 09:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 
== DP Name Change ==
It seems in the DP series, there were two names for the lecture. I don't have all the episodes in Japanese, but from what I've seen, earlier episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia" (オーキド博士のポケモン大百科), and later episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Test" (オーキド博士のポケモン大検定). The "Test" ones have Oak ask a question at the end. Does anyone know when they changed, or if they just alternate? --[[User:Jda95|<span style="color:#000000">'''jda'''</span>]][[User talk:Jda95|<span style="color:#D71010">'''95'''</span>]] 08:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems in the DP series, there were two names for the lecture. I don't have all the episodes in Japanese, but from what I've seen, earlier episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia" (オーキド博士のポケモン大百科), and later episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Test" (オーキド博士のポケモン大検定). The "Test" ones have Oak ask a question at the end. Does anyone know when they changed, or if they just alternate? --[[User:Jda95|<span style="color:#000000">'''jda'''</span>]][[User talk:Jda95|<span style="color:#D71010">'''95'''</span>]] 08:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:It changed at DP098. And just like with the original Kanto lectures, the first Pokémon tested is Magikarp (lol). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:It changed at DP098. And just like with the original Kanto lectures, the first Pokémon tested is Magikarp (lol). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
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In the translations, shouldn't the Enlgish name for the Pokemon be used, since it's meant for people who don't know Japanese? An yes, I know you just have to hover to see the English name, and it says the Pokemons name off to the side, but the Japenese name just seems out of place with the rest of the English.--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 01:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
In the translations, shouldn't the Enlgish name for the Pokemon be used, since it's meant for people who don't know Japanese? An yes, I know you just have to hover to see the English name, and it says the Pokemons name off to the side, but the Japenese name just seems out of place with the rest of the English.--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 01:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


== Movie Preview Special Volume in Original Series ==
==Movie Preview Special Volume in Original Series==
 
Would not it be more appropriate to ask this here, but to see some things about the Oak's lecture, this is more to see if that is true or not.
Would not it be more appropriate to ask this here, but to see some things about the Oak's lecture, this is more to see if that is true or not.


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#[[DP151]] - Beldum - The page for this episode says that there was no lecture because it was part of an hour-long special with [[DP152]], but it shows Beldum on here.
#[[DP151]] - Beldum - The page for this episode says that there was no lecture because it was part of an hour-long special with [[DP152]], but it shows Beldum on here.
#[[DP181]] - Clefairy - This page says that there are no Pokémon senryū instead of blank lines like the others but the page for the episode does not say wether or not they even had a lecture for this episode.
#[[DP181]] - Clefairy - This page says that there are no Pokémon senryū instead of blank lines like the others but the page for the episode does not say wether or not they even had a lecture for this episode.
Can someone check these out & fix what's needed.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 01:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Can someone check these out & fix what's needed. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 01:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 
:It aired with those on reruns. {{unsigned|Puto}}
- It aired with those on reruns.


==Split suggestion==
==Split suggestion==
It might be a good idea to split this article into various others while keeping this as the parent article because this list is just going to get longer and the longer it gets, the longer it takes to load. Readers might also be able to comprehend it better if there are separate articles. [[User:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:blue">Raykyogrou0</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]])''</small> 04:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to split this article into various others while keeping this as the parent article because this list is just going to get longer and the longer it gets, the longer it takes to load. Readers might also be able to comprehend it better if there are separate articles. [[User:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:blue">Raykyogrou0</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]])''</small> 04:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
: Subpages for each series' list, perhaps? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
: Subpages for each series' list, perhaps? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
:: You mean like [[Professor Oak's lecture/Professor Oak's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia]]?[[User:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:blue">Raykyogrou0</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]])''</small> 10:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:: You mean like {{redlink|Professor Oak's lecture/Professor Oak's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia}}?[[User:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:blue">Raykyogrou0</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|<span style="color:black">Talk</span>]])''</small> 10:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::: I believe one single list for them all is enough, just like how it was done for the Who's That Pokémon segments, which weren't separated from Pocket Monster TV. We just need a better ordering in the article itself rather than splitting it. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 21:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
This has to be the ugliest article I've seen on the wiki. Three notice templates of incongruent sizes on top, a mess of fonts in the first paragraph, excessive article length, and a ton of wasted space in the episode templates. Instead of something sensible like…
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
| [[AG105]]-<br>[[AG124]]
| No lecture
| No Pokémon senryū
|}
…we have 20 lines repeating the same info: "no lecture, no Pokémon senryū." Same with [[DP075]]-[[DP084]]. The Big Pokémon Examination, BW series, and XY series templates are extremely wide and could really use some parameters. If the article will not be split, then at least make it look cohesive. —<font face="Segoe UI"><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em">[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="#fff">The</font>]]Very[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|<font color="red">Best</font>]]</span></font> 07:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 
== Translations ==
 
I've added some translations.  To help with future editing, I've marked all my translations with an HTML comment "Translation by user Dannyjenn" so we can identify that those are the ones I did.  If anyone wants to change anything in mine, go ahead.  (I took a lot of liberties.  And I'm not fluent in Japanese.  So if we're going for literal accuracy, mine are not the best.)
 
One thing I noticed is that whoever added the other translations used the Japanese names rather than English names.  I see somebody brought this up on the discussion page several years ago, and I agree: we should use the English names in the translations, since they're English translations.  That's how I did mine anyway (some of my wordplay relies on the English).  Anyway, I think there needs to be a consensus, and everything on the page should be updated accordingly.  (Because right now the ones I've added use English names, but the other ones all use Japanese names) [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] ([[User talk:Dannyjenn|talk]]) 16:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:04, 12 December 2023

Article creation

When did Professor Oak's lecture start? - unsigned comment from 09MurphyM (talkcontribs)

DP001 PokeManiac102 03:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, beforehand. I think we should make a list of Oak's lectures. TTEchidna 03:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
...But we really don't need to individually list all the episodes it was on hiatus. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
How long was it on hiatus? TTEchidna 07:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
From AG105 to the end of AG. It was replaced by "Pokemon Trivia Quiz". --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 16:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the same. In my opinion only the episodes with the Lecture should be listed, insted of all of them. Rikki Kitsune ~ リッキ キツネ 17:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, we probably shouldn't really begin doing clearout work until we have all of the lectures (at least from the first three generations, as Generation IV is still ongoing). A lot of the pre-Advanced Generation lectures are still missing from the list. --Shiningpikablu252 17:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I just found the trivia part in EP061: "This is the first episode in the Japanese version to feature Oak's Pokémon Lecture, which would last until mid-Advanced Generation series then start again in the early Diamond and Pearl series."
Shouldn't we delete the part of EP001 to EP060??? Also I find the old pokemon video in a video site,I will add the content as I have time:)--chungkingpun 9:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Source for that being the definitive start?I was under the impression that we didn't know for sure. Either way, there isn't much point in keeping a huge gap. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 09:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

DP Name Change

It seems in the DP series, there were two names for the lecture. I don't have all the episodes in Japanese, but from what I've seen, earlier episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia" (オーキド博士のポケモン大百科), and later episodes have "Doctor Orchid's Big Pokémon Test" (オーキド博士のポケモン大検定). The "Test" ones have Oak ask a question at the end. Does anyone know when they changed, or if they just alternate? --jda95 08:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

It changed at DP098. And just like with the original Kanto lectures, the first Pokémon tested is Magikarp (lol). Bluesun 12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Translation

In the translations, shouldn't the Enlgish name for the Pokemon be used, since it's meant for people who don't know Japanese? An yes, I know you just have to hover to see the English name, and it says the Pokemons name off to the side, but the Japenese name just seems out of place with the rest of the English.--Chris Broach (talk) 01:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Movie Preview Special Volume in Original Series

Would not it be more appropriate to ask this here, but to see some things about the Oak's lecture, this is more to see if that is true or not.

It is said that between EP102-EP106 and EP153-EP156 appear Movie Preview Special Volume.

I downloaded the RAW episodes of the original series, but all these videos are not recorded versions of their debut on TV Tokyo (and it is easy to verify, and I do not mean just for EP001-EP115 that have been recorded in its broadcasts on Kids Station, but I say EP116-EP274 episodes, which is easily seen that the videos are not recorded its debut on TV Tokyo, but from another source after its original release). When I reviewed these episodes in RAW I downloaded, did not have the Movie Preview Special Volume in those episodes of the original series, but yet other readings Oak's lecture in the other episodes if they were there.

I am of those who wish to locate a few download RAW episodes of the original series that have been recorded in its TV premiere in Tokyo, especially would like to find the original RAW of EP001-EP037 recorded in 1997 before the EP038 incident, however, these versions appear to be very difficult to find, particularly for those who know absolutely nothing about Japanese. I know that some (though perhaps not here in Bulbapedia) should get their hands on the episodes of the original series recorded its debut on TV Tokyo, however, have not wanted to share these video versions and that is why it is easier to find other versions are not from TV Tokyo. --Toonamimaniacolatino 13:59, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Errors for fixing

I noticed 2 probable mistakes:

  1. DP151 - Beldum - The page for this episode says that there was no lecture because it was part of an hour-long special with DP152, but it shows Beldum on here.
  2. DP181 - Clefairy - This page says that there are no Pokémon senryū instead of blank lines like the others but the page for the episode does not say wether or not they even had a lecture for this episode.

Can someone check these out & fix what's needed. TrainerX493 (talk) 01:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

It aired with those on reruns. - unsigned comment from Puto (talkcontribs)

Split suggestion

It might be a good idea to split this article into various others while keeping this as the parent article because this list is just going to get longer and the longer it gets, the longer it takes to load. Readers might also be able to comprehend it better if there are separate articles. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 04:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Subpages for each series' list, perhaps? Yamiidenryuu (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
You mean like Professor Oak's lecture/Professor Oak's Big Pokémon Encyclopedia?Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 10:31, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I believe one single list for them all is enough, just like how it was done for the Who's That Pokémon segments, which weren't separated from Pocket Monster TV. We just need a better ordering in the article itself rather than splitting it. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 21:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

This has to be the ugliest article I've seen on the wiki. Three notice templates of incongruent sizes on top, a mess of fonts in the first paragraph, excessive article length, and a ton of wasted space in the episode templates. Instead of something sensible like…

AG105-
AG124
No lecture No Pokémon senryū

…we have 20 lines repeating the same info: "no lecture, no Pokémon senryū." Same with DP075-DP084. The Big Pokémon Examination, BW series, and XY series templates are extremely wide and could really use some parameters. If the article will not be split, then at least make it look cohesive. —TheVeryBest 07:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Translations

I've added some translations. To help with future editing, I've marked all my translations with an HTML comment "Translation by user Dannyjenn" so we can identify that those are the ones I did. If anyone wants to change anything in mine, go ahead. (I took a lot of liberties. And I'm not fluent in Japanese. So if we're going for literal accuracy, mine are not the best.)

One thing I noticed is that whoever added the other translations used the Japanese names rather than English names. I see somebody brought this up on the discussion page several years ago, and I agree: we should use the English names in the translations, since they're English translations. That's how I did mine anyway (some of my wordplay relies on the English). Anyway, I think there needs to be a consensus, and everything on the page should be updated accordingly. (Because right now the ones I've added use English names, but the other ones all use Japanese names) Dannyjenn (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)