Talk:Phione (Pokémon)

Phione- Legendary or not?

can phione really be considered a legendary? It is by no means limited to one a game cartridge as legendary Pokemon are, given that it can breed with Ditto as well as any Magnemite, Rotom, or Baltoy. It's base stats are the same as Glalie's. Which is NOT legendary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be a legendary, doesn't a Pokemon have to be only one per game without trading, and have at least SOMEWHAT good stats?

In my opinion, it's okay the way this article puts it. It doesn't mention Phione being a legendary, yet it's in the legendary category because it's related to Manaphy (and its Pokédex number is among legendaries). Kind of like an honorable mention in lists, but still not worth of mentioning a legendary status when talking about Phione itself. --Johans 16:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... It's because of the criterion of mine I mentioned in the last paragraph that I didn't like this update. I wonder if somebody agrees with me. Was it really necessary to mention that "it's still considered a legendary"? --Johans 00:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is that Phione is classed as a legendary Pokémon because of it's relation to Manaphy as Johans has said. Also, legendary Pokémon do not evolve. Phione does not evolve into Manaphy either therefore, it must have some legendary traits. Tesh

You know, I'd have to say Phione is best classified as legendary. It's a derivative of a legendary - more closely tied to a true legendary Pokémon than Mewtwo is to Mew. It's a black sheep of the lot, but still pretty legendary, I think. --Pie ^~♪♫ 02:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

What's the role of the Phione species in Mystery Dungeon 2? I still vote for never mentioning explicitly "Phione is a legendary" until the whole franchise hints it well enough. This means official text saying it's a legendary, side games with extraordinary plots related to Phione, whether or not it will protagonize a hosou or a story arc, whether or not it will be a bonus Poké Ball in Super Smash Bros. Brawl... IDK... Stuff like that. --Johans 22:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Before continuing with the edit war on the Trivia section, I must say I agree with Missingno. Master on removing that line from the Trivia section which says "Without using cheats or trading, Phione is the only legendary Pokémon that a player can have more that one of". The reason to put it back (as seen here) is based just on the template. Such unability to say whether Phione is legendary or not only makes that line worthy of being removed IMO. Something can be an exception, but you can't tell if this one is. --Johans 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

It's because I suck at reasons. XD; Tina ^δ♫ 17:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Baby Pokemon?

Is it really ok to designate it as a Baby? It really doesn't fit any of the criteria of a Baby Pokemon. I mean it can breed, and to my understanding, Phione isn't a pre-evolution of Manaphy (As exemplified by the fact that it can't ever evolve into it. >_>) so much as a Manaphy that was bred in colder waters. --Dual 04:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a baby Pokémon. Baby Pokémon evolve and can't breed. Phione breeds and can't evolve. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 14:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This... Egg move...

Okay, weeks ago I taught my Manaphy the move Waterfall, and I recently got a Ditto. Today, when my first Phione hatched from its Egg, guess what? It knew Waterfall!! But why in the world no Pokémon site mentions it? Not even Legendary Pokémon, the first people to publicly hack the game, talk of this. Maybe now that Manaphy was given away in an easier way, more people can help me confirming this (maybe it's an in-game bug or something? Or some game mechanics that have been overlooked?).

By breeding

Generation IV
Waterfall

Please do discuss. --Johans 02:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an HM. That's why. TinaTheKirlia ♥ File:281MS.gif 02:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh... Does it always happen with babies and HM moves then? ^_^' And why isn't it valid to place it in the learnset lists? Is it because it's "obvious"? --Johans 03:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and yes. It's listed under... breeding... i think. Inker 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Always happens with compatible HMs and TMs. TTEchidna 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Pssssst

Well well well, I just checked Pokemon.com and they just said Phione is indeed, not legendary. Aww shoot, I totally thought it was. Go to the mailbag. Tina ^δ♫ 04:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

does that mean i can use it in the PBR little cup? MAGNEDETH 04:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

No because all the Pokémon you use have to be a pre-evolution of another Pokémon. And since Phione doesn't evolve well... --File:Ani048MS.gifケンジFile:Ani183MS.gifガールFile:Ani123MS.gif 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

oh well. its not like i have PBR anyway. (oh the irony!!) MAGNEDETH 04:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I absolutely HATE to say I told you so.... But what the heck! I told you so! =D -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 11:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, contradiction. This is also from Pokemon.com's mailbag, saying that Phione is legendary. // SzayelAporroGranzFile:Ani282MS.gif 19:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

WHAT?! This is impossible! Why would they change their answer??? HOW can something with Glalie's base stats be legendary?! -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yessss! I totally thought Phione was legendary, I mean, it IS related to one anyway. Anyway, no more fricking revert/edit wars now. Tina ^δ♫ 20:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Why are you so happy? Phione breaks all the laws of legendaries- it can breed, it has bad stats, you can have more than one of them in PMD2... This upsets me, because all my carefully reasoned arguements, which by all rights should've been right, have been proven wrong! Plus, this means that if I use Phione in competitive battle, I'll be breaking my own rule of no legendaries. D< -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe because I actually THOUGHT Phione was a legendary? There's a word that you might want to hear about-- Exceptions. Tina ^δ♫ 20:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

But how can Phione be an exception to EVERY SINGLE RULE THAT DEFINES A LEGENDARY, AND STILL BE A LEGENDARY?! IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, it says here http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 that it is legendary....--Theryguy512 21:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol yeah, we reverted the 'non-legendary' things a while ago. *points up to Szayel's post* Tina ^δ♫ 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Let's not forget that there was never a specific "rule" that said legendaries couldn't do what Phione does. After all, Latios and Latias didn't break the legendary genderless rule, they were merely the first legendaries with genders. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 08:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were sort of confirmed to lay eggs in Pokemon Snap, though I'm not sure if that counts or not.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I recall an episode, no, three episodes of Pokémon: Master Quest where Ash encountered a Lugia and a baby Lugia. Does that mean Legendary Pokémon can have babies, in this case Manaphy getting Phione? BlueJirachi 18:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Some Legendaries have been shown to breed outside of the main series, like the three Birds in Snap. But Phione is not a baby Manaphy because it can never become a Manaphy. Perhaps if one were to breed a Manaphy in Fiore then one would get another Manaphy egg. Of course, Manaphy eggs can't appearantly hatch in Fiore. This is all speculation, of course. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 19:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

But Phione can get another Phione as a baby.BlueJirachi 02:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)