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Ash's Charizard used {{m|Submission}} against Magmar during the gym battle with Blaine in Episode 58 or 59.

Basically he just spins around while flying to confuse the opponent before using {{m|Seismic Toss}}. --[[User:cbhadha|cbhadha]] 9:32, 29 June 2007

== Gender ==

What episode was Charizard's gender confirmed? Just curious. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 22:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it was a specific episode, I think it's just because it happens to have a crush on a Charizard with a lighter roar than Ash's and a bow on its head. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 23:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Ah, just wonderin. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">Tina</span>]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">The</span>]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#E75480;">Kirlia</span>]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Released? ==

Well, we don't technically list James's Cacnea as released (so I wonder if we should), but although Ash "released" Charizard, he technically just left it at the Charicific Valley, and it still goes in his Poké Ball without needing to be recaptured. So really, I'm wondering, should Charizard and Squirtle go where Cacnea does? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 03:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, good point. Well, I really think that should be possible. He does return in extreme battles. (like the Elite Four, Pokémon Frontier) So you're right, he isn't gone, and Charizard is still his. Ash just wants Charizard to feel well, and I really think he doesn't see the point of keeping his Pokémon at Oak's lab when there is a whole place for him.{{unsigned|TheBlazikenMaster}}

Yeah I agree because Ash just left him there to train. It's basically leaving you're Pokemon at the Daycare! Because 1. He left it there for training 2. It gets stronger, just like in the daycare and 3. There was never any indication it was released. [[User:Big Johnno|Big Johnno]]

== Charmeleon picture ==

Anyone got a pic of Charmeleon? [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 01:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Do we realy nead one? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:We have them for Butterfree and Sceptile... <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span>{{ani|155|Fire echy}}<span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 20:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Look guys... ==

I don't mean too nag, but Charizard was never confirmed male...Errr...Unless a character refers to it as a "he" constantly, then i think it could be ether gender. I mean, but because it likes [[Charla|another Charizard which is a female]] doesn't mean anything. I mean, Charizard could be a female, and be a lesbian (: I mean, i'm pretty sure Pokémon have sexualities (''as in my LeafGreen (Well it was actually my cousins game but i know he didn't cheat on it or anything!), my male Blaziken and male Charizard came out with a normal Torchic egg xD Glitchy much?'') [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 19:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

:Entirely correct.  I've removed the gender, and if anyone has a convincing argument that shows that this Charizard is male, I'll be happy to hear it.  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 02:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah. That was like calling Ash's Bulbasaur a male because it liked May's Bulbasaur who's female (and that isn't even confirmed). I'm thinking, should we recheck Ash's Sceptile? Because that says it's male because of the whole Megainium thing. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 03:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

::Woah. I didn't think anyone was actually doing to listen to me and just start arguing...But like, i think a Pokémon's gender is only really conformed if someone goes "Oh you have a male ________" or "female ______" or if their constantly referred too as one gender. E.G. Ash's Pikachu constantly (like every episode) being referred too as He, Him, or His. (: But thats just my outlook on it [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 06:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It probably is male but, like most Pokémon genders, that isn't confirmed.  We need to start making a hard line here and from the situation with Pikachu, we should stick to "it" unless it is explicitly stated. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Political correctness much? [[User:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Glinn</span>]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Mgraw</span>]] 08:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree
But just to add on I've got some sites here that link him as being male (just to be sure!) [http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Charizard_-_In_the_anime/id/4912154 The First Website] [http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=210680 This one also applies to the hey you have a male____!] {{unsigned|Big Johnno}}
:Oh wow... That totally proves it's male. A fan site... And sign your comments. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 09:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

its still serebii! {{unsigned|Big Johnno}}
:Doesn't make it trustworthy. [[User:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Glinn</span>]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Mgraw</span>]] 09:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

meh, try finding proof of charizard being female. come on I Dare You!
:And now it's getting out of hand. All for making Charizard, Pikachu, and pretty much everyone on Ash's team male, say aye. Honestly, if we're using the "OH LOL CHARIZARD MIGHT BE A LESBIAN" argument... come on. I'm as supportive of homosexuality as anyone else in their right mind, but really, if we have to wait for Charla to show up and hand Dawn a Charmander egg... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::-_-' There is still no logical proof as charizard appeared before '''GENII'''. Which showed Genders for the first time, Now charizard being a First Gen Pokémon, The creators had no Idea About its gender, But there is still no proof, I mean Charmander could've been a girl before even turning into a Charmeleon, And as a Charmeleon it was a Boy, And so on, There is lot's of theory about Chari's gender. Oh yeah, Sign your Frikkin' Comments --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::No proof of any Pokémon's gender. If the freaking gender differences shown by a Pokémon that itself debuted before Gen IV (I'm talking that damned Venusaur now) isn't big enough of a hint for everyone that they ''do'' apply in the anime, I don't know what is, Pikachu's dong slipping into a shot or something? Look, here's a hint. If Misty comes back with Gyarados and IT HAS WHITE WHISKERS (as they were blue before) then undoubtedly, completely, we ''must say'' that Ash's Pikachu is male, Jessie's Wobbuffet is male, and so on. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::It's pathetic. Change back to Male, honestly, this is ridiculous. [[User:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Glinn</span>]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Mgraw</span>]] 10:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree that it should be stated to be a male unless somebody can prove it's gay. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 10:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

::::::Ok so everyone on Ash's team is Male. [[User:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#000000">~'''Crystal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#000000">~'''Lucario~'''</span>]] 11:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::This discussion isn't over until the page is unprotected. And it's up to an admin to do so. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Look...It shouldn't be assumed Male just because theres no proof what gender it is. It's just sexist saying all Ash's Pokémon are male. |: Gender difference shouldn't count as that was in Gen4, and Charizard is from Gen1/The first Pokémon seasons/whatever. |: [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 15:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, yeah most likely Charizard is male. But being that there are some people that feel that it could be otherwise, maybe we should leave it as unknown until it is 100% confirmed.  I mean Pikachu has just as much evidence that it is male as Charizard and yet we still refuse to call it that. It's a little hypocritical.

:Oh yeah, and I don't like ignorant bastards calling others dumbasses for thinking differently!  You know, people who are that uncomfortable about homosexuality are usually trying to hide their own homosexual feelings. *snap* --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 20:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I understand that, the word "gay" is often used in a negative way. I still think it's male, but you're right it's not 100% confirmed. When exactly do any of you plan to unlock this page? Just curious... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 20:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::Some people think differently? Who ''seriously'' thinks that, unlike about ''Pikachu'', which I'm about ready to say "throw that crap out the window" because it wouldn't matter if they '''''showed Pikachu's dong on TV''''' to them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Saying that Charizard is "Gen I" doesn't make much of a difference since Gen II was already in development at the time the anime was created (Ho-Oh ''was'' in the first episode, after all).  So the animators may have already had a grasp on genders even before Gen IV introduced physical differences.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 16:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Honestly, I'm not against homosexuality(my sister has a friend that is gay), but Charizard has to be male, at least in the American version because, they aren't going to promote homosexuality in a show aimed at kids.     [[User:Pokeman21|Pokeman21]] 19:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::[[Harley|Uh-huh]]. --[[User:Martonimos|<font color="#008000">Martonimos</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|((<font color="#00FF00">Argh</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">Blargh</font>))]]</sub> 23:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, this is really stupid. I actually want to edit the page. but i cant cuz of this whole arguement. didnt we agree to be neutral about this stuff? we dont know its gender until it is stated in the original. its same thing with Pikachu or whatever other Pokemon is highly speculated. so can the protection finally end? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:And why does this conversation always have to end up being about homosexuality and Harley??  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 00:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::I really agree. Who cares whether or not Charizard is homosexual? I really think this silly discussion should end today. I don't know about the rest of you but I personally don't care if the Charizard is a homosexual or straight. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I second that motion.  I'm all for gays on television, but this series will hardly do anything for the community.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 00:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, so shall we keep it unknown until we see Misty's Gyarados back with white whiskers? Or the Pink Butterfree with black wingdots? Misty ''has'' to return SOMETIME during DP... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd rather vote on keeping it male until the homosexuality has been proven, but I'm voting for unknown instead. Whatever makes the page unprotected. It's bad enough that I can't edit my crappy user page, if the protection will still be here several weeks from when I'm posting this, it will be WAY too out-of-date. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The page has been unprotected either today or yesterday, I can't remember which.  Either way, I ''highly'' doubt that this Charizard is gay.  People just want to make it as a possibility because no one ever said what the gender is in the series.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 01:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:You're right, I didn't notice, sorry about that. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::I vote we put Charizard as Male because they are not going to promote homosexuality in a show aimed at kids, at least, not in the American Dub.  [[User:Pokeman21|Pokeman21]]  22:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::We aren't voting on anything! It stays as Unknown. ''[[User:Moldy orange|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 02:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I still think it's ridiculous to find homosexuality a possibility. I'd like to see another more realistic reason why it stays unknown. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

It stays unknown until an anime character calls it a male or refers to it as a "he".  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 15:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:ok so your going to wait until the episode when charizard returns and ash be like "hey guys its charizard...did u guys know hes a male" lol  ''...not going to happen...'' look there never going to do stuff like that and u know it , if they were to have said something it should be on the episode when ash caught it or sometime after but since it didnt u should look at its personalities like ..the writers are trying to hint at all of us that charizards a male by giving it male personalities ..there never going to confirm it...i know bulbapedia is strict bout this stuff but u cant just let it be unknown even after the show ends.. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::To put it simply, YES. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 00:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== We obviously need to discuss which image we want in the article. ==

I can see obviously that the image keeps changing. My vote would be [[:Image:AG340.jpg|this]], because it actually shows it is Ash's Charizard. While [[:Image:Ash's Charizard.jpg|this]] and [[:Image:Ash_charizard.jpg|this]] could be any Charizard. Yes, I am very aware of the image title already states who the Charizard belongs to, but people should see who the Charizard belongs to just by looking at the image. 13:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who put the one with Ash in it, but the current pic has great quality, so I'm content--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 14:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Dragon Rage ==

The note in trivia on when the move dragon rage was first used by Ash's Charizard is wrong and I have tried to change it but everytime I do it gets changed back. Watch episode 112 enter the dragonite. Charizard uses it there and there might even be a time before then when he does. --[[User:Pazusalmon|Pazusalmon]] 23:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
:The trivia is saying that it first used '''{{m|Dragonbreath}}''' in the battle with Gary. Infact, Dragon Rage was used even before [[EP112]]. That was used in [[EP105]] when Charizard begins to trust Ash. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)