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OK, that Emerald info was wrong. I just got the game last Thursday, so I know. First of all, our second battle didn't involve a Wingull, Lotad, or Slugma. She had her Mudkip and a Torkoal. I of course have Combusken. Last night when I fought her on Route 110, she had a Marshtop, Slugma, and Lombre. So, I don't know how many other mistakes could be there. Porygon-Z 16:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

And here's some proof. Porygon-Z 18:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
That seems to be correct. May has Lombre and Slugma, but not Wingull if she has Marshtomp. So what's wrong? ~ kenn Talk 18:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
In the second battle, it depends on your starter. Example, I have Mudkip as my starter, and May has Wingull. If you have Torchic, then May has Slugma instead. ~ kenn Talk 18:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
For the second battle it says that if I have Combusken, than May would not have Slugma. And in the first battle, well, the article said nothing about a Torkoal. Porygon-Z 18:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

This one would probably make more sense to look at. ~ kenn Talk 18:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

May Birch

Since this article is for the game, Should May Birch her full name *when no the chosen player character) be included? Yami 23:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well that's the point to why we're not doing that. If she is chosen as the player, she's not "May Birch". The same applies to Brendan. Plus if we had May Birch and Brendan Birch, people would start to believe they are siblings. --ケンジガール 23:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Not if you explain it to them Yami 23:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Also they list Both Norman and Prof. Birch as fathers with the condition to how that happens, so just as long as the person reading this has common sense they shouldn't get confused.Yami 23:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

  1. I don't really see a point to it.
  2. The way you put it didn't explain anything at all. If you put the conditions under which her name would be "May Birch," then it would be better, but I still don't think we ought to include it. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 23:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Also, what about her Japanese name? We'd have to mess with that too. --ケンジガール 23:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You guys are making this more difficult then it has to be. We don't have to mess with her Japanese name, it can remain as is. Anmd if the person would simply read the article they'd figure out that you only add the Birch part when she's Birch's daughter. Common sense really. Yami 23:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

So you'd just ignore the Japanese name? If you don't feel that's important than we shouldn't even bother with the English. --ケンジガール 23:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Well if you want to go and change the Japanese name too, then copy past the Japanese from Prof Birch's name and put it where it needs to be. that problem is solved, you don't have to make this so difficult. Yami 23:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
We don't need to mention "Birch". Anyone can figure out that could be a possible last name for themselves. --ケンジガール 23:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Well then you just defeated your platform on how people would get confused about the whole thing. Yami 23:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You still haven't provided a good reason why we should add it. I definitely see a good reason that we shouldn't: It'll cause confusion, even if it's only momentary (which it won't always be). --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 00:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Because its Common sense and it educates people on the differences between regular may and both forms of game May.

and kenji protecting the article is an abuse of power an uncalled for. Yami 00:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Is he Blue Oak? No. No he's not. Heck, Green's page isn't at Green Oak, Sapphire's page isn't at Sapphire Birch, and Platina's page isn't at Platina Berlitz (though it was previously). The style with these guys is to just use their first names, because then it's consistent. Ash and Gary are a different story, since a majority of the time, they introduce themselves with first AND last names, while game characters just imply their last names by relation, but NEVER say them outright. TTEchidna 00:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
There. There's your other admin responce that you wanted so badly. We don't have it for anyone else so we shouldn't have it for May. Do you get it now? --ケンジガール 00:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the more reason was that they never even say their last name... but yep. TTEchidna 00:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well for one thing May is not in the same boat as Blue, Red or the others because she isn't associated with the color themes. This is a May article not a Sapphire, Ruby or Emerald or what ever color/material she's be named article. Plus the others are all more or less incarnations of the pokemon special not exactly like their video game counterparts. Even then Blue (video games) Green (special) is still the only one to my knowledge that could be given a last name, since i haven't read them and don't know if red is called red ketchem.

Her name is May (Haruka) putting her in the same boat as Ash and Gary with their respective Japanese names. Only because in the game versions last names are not clearly given except for possibly Gary, she'd be half in and half out of the boat given the circumstances.

I don't see why this was turned into a big argument. All i did was add an alternative name that is common sense going be for when she is the rival. Not to mention the article starts off with her primarily in the Rival position so the Name May Birch would fit better there just because the article is favoring Rival May and not Player May or not favoring either.

If it was a problem with people getting confused, they'd more likely be confused that May is listed primarily as the rival in this article, where her father would be Birch, but in the anime we all know her to be norman's daughter.

If you're worried about people getting confused then you should write that she is the Female Gender Choice for the player, and if not chosen the rival of the player. Unless you do that then we might as well just put Birch right after May because of how you guys have it written out.

That is what's misleading and confusing, not a alternative name that points out with common sense that if she is your rival and prof birch's offspring then her last name is going be birch.

Now if this was a case of the other game characters don't have last names then again it's not the same boat as the Color players/characters.

The Article needs to be cleaned up for one thing so it no longer favors may being in the Rival position which would award her the last name. The article shouldn't favor either timeline may and should state that She is either the player's choice if they pick the female gender or she is going be the rivial should the player pick the male. Both are equally represented with neither being favored explicitly.

Now to the matter at hand, Can you honestly say that Giving two names for this incarnation of May is going hurt the article?

I mean it comes down to common sense. Player = no last name so she is just May and is more closer to her Anime incarnation. Rival = Last name because she'll be the offspring of Professor Birch, and not as close to the anime incarnation. Yami 01:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well how are we to know that's her actual last name. There are children in the world who don't share the same last name as their father you know. --ケンジガール 01:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Now your just being argumentative. Before Wikipedia got all anti pokemon even they payed tribute to the fact that may gets the last name Birch by default if not chosen as the playing character. Yami 01:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I brought up a valid point. Wikipedia is the most unreliable source you can get. Some user who thought the same thing you did probably entered it in anonymously. Unless Pokemon.com or any other official site says it then it is unproven. --ケンジガール 01:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ironic considering Wikipedia says the same about bulbapedia. How often are people going update pokemon.com to give info that is common sense. Also Wikipedia is so anal that they remove stuff almost as soon as its added if you don't source it so don't say that wikipedia isn't reliable. If they weren't so bent on limiting how much space pokemon takes up like when they got rid of individual pokemon articles, they'd still have that in the May article or the game articles.

So are you going turn this argument into a prove it type deal because it seems like all your doing is just arguing to argue. If you knew a thing about pokemon then you'd realize that they're so weary of American values that they do as much as they can to conform to our standards and that would include passing the father's name down to their child. They don't want people thinking their kid is playing a game where their character is a bastard. Yami 02:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey you're the one who started this, not me. You're the one who asked is it worth noting and I gave you my opinion as well as others. Just because somebody doesn't share the same name as their father doesn't mean they are a "bastard". That's a horrible thing to say. Just saying that proves to me how ignorant you are. Some father's give their children other last names just for the heck of it. Some might give their children their mother's maiden names. Does that make them "bastards".
If you love Wikipeida so much do us a favor and stick with them. Who are you going to believe? Random people who no nothing about Pokémon or the dedicate fans? --ケンジガール 02:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

You're just a dedicated fan of arguing and abusing your power and being unadmin like. Yami 02:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Right, keep name calling and bitching. You're not going to get your way. Everyone on Bulbapedia thinks you're wrong. Not just me. You're the uncivil one. --ケンジガール 02:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Yami, would you SHUT UP ALREADY!!! Kenji-girl did NOT do anything wrong, nor abuse her powers; she just did what is right for Bulbapeida, so shut the hell up and LEAVE if you're going to argue!...gosh...you're filling up the server with this issue.--☆Tavisource 02:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Everyone on Bulbpedia huh? You're being uncivil and not acting like a person with admin privileges should. And Kenji did do wrong when she broke the rules protecting the page which she was in a dispute with. Not to mention her general attitude as i have said is not admin like. What is this issue to you anyways are you just here just to gang up on the new guy to Bulbapedia or here to back up your internet crush or are you a sock puppet for her or some other behind the scene stuff.

Why are you guys gettign so uncivil over a simple adition of or May Birch?

What the hell are you talking about? I think you're crazy...I'm not trying to gang up on the "new guy" or whatever... ust SUCK IT UP or LEAVE!!! And don't say who's uncivil, every community has their own rules, and also where all people have the say to do what's RIGHT, not WRONG!!! Get it?--☆Tavisource 02:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

You and kenji girl are being uncivil with posting things like "can you shut this guy up" "You know who" and "You're not new see that message your no longer welcome" Yami 03:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Why can't you just drop it and do something that is actually productive. MoldyOrange 03:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Because you're being an asshole that's why. You're calling anyone who doesn't have the same last name as their father bastards. --ケンジガール 03:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I said nothing of the sort. i said that it would stand to reasons that unless birch is divorced from may's/Branden's mother, they're not really his, or that he did the work but never married the mother and she gave them her name, then it would stand to reason they have the same last name as their father. common sense would at least give you enough reason to assume that much. Pokemon is always trying to conform to standards and would naturally try to conform to the social norm of naming a kid after one parent or the other. Are there kids named after their mother side yes but that doesn't mean that we can't assume a character like may or branden would share the same last name as their father who ever they would be. Yami 03:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

1)The name is Brenden. 2) Spell Pokémon correctly (with an é and a capital P) 3) Drop it and move on, you aren't going to win; do something productive so that everyone doesn't think that you are here only to cause trouble. MoldyOrange 03:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't you think you should just give it a rest already? She explained in a civil fashion why we don't need it in the article. How in the galaxy this got blown up into this is unbelievable. You have several admins telling you to drop it and do something more productive, yet you keep focusing on this.
Edit warring is not something we take lightly here at Bulbapedia. I think calling it an abuse of power to protect a page to prevent edit warring makes no sense. Would you rather she have left it unprotected and continuously gone back and forth until you both drove each other insane? No, that's not how it works on Bulbapedia (or any wiki that I've heard of). All she did was explain to you why we don't have May Birch listed, and that's the simple fact that she's only May Birch when the main character is the Brenden. It's the same thing vice-versa.
Do me a favor; instead of complaining about a stupid last name, help us upgrade the remaining 167 moves to Platinum Standard. Because right now, it seems like myself, Chungkingpun, and a few others are the only ones who actually care about this project getting done before this Thursday. Or go through the wanted pages and make an article somebody cares about. Because I honestly don't think most people care about the last name of a rival character exclusive to the games. --PAK Man Talk 04:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Moldy i don't care what the spelling is at the moment, I spelled it right i just don't put the é every singly time, and i dropped the name thing but you people keep getting uncivil like Kenji girl calling me a asshole. Why don't you tell her to be civil and stop it. Also don't threaten me on my talk page. You were uncivil and trollish in your remark. Yami 04:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

How long is this going to keep going? It's getting annoying to see so many edits about this page that it would be hard to spot a vandal if one were to pop up?--PsychicRider 04:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

This is a talk page, who is going vandal a talk page, its the main article you should have on your watch list. and i dropped it but every time i leave 3 more shows up and put in their two cents and it seems like it won't stop until we have a dollar. Yami 04:16, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

This is ridiculous.

And likely the most edited talk page within 24 hours.

This talkpage can't be edited by anyone but sysops until the 13th.

We're gonna have a nice, long rest from this argument, get Platinum standard up and finished, and then... pa-ding, Platinum comes out. Ready, set, go! Now let's concentrate on that! TTEchidna 04:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Default names

How do you even get to the default names, where can I find them, I mean. There are the 3 options that are there, like in Yellow the three are Red, Ash, and frickin' something else... where is these whole lists of freakin' names comming from...? KPF 05:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I have to question the point of the modifier "freakin'." Anyway, in Emerald only, you either enter a custom name or select "OK," which will fill in one of the default names.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of "Mutsumi"?

Well, I noticed in the trivia on Brendan's page that his Japanese default names, Rikuya and Kaito containing words for "land" and "sea", much like the English equivalents Landon and Sean. Now with May, her English names are Terra and Marina, an earth based name and a water based name respectively. Now, I know that Nami is the Japanese word for "wave", so I'm assuming that Mutsumi must have some land based connotation, but I'm unable to come up with anything based on my current vocabulary or a dictionary. So, anyone got any idea on this? --Sato 11:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Party Template

Hey I've been working on getting a party template for May. Can someone go under In the games, Ruby and Sapphire, then in the second battle, can someone fix the types for Marshtomp. Ive tryed everything and it keeps on saying Water and Flying, not Water and Ground.--Galm 18:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey its Galm again, for may and her battle at lilycove city, i cant get her pokemon's type right. They mess up on me sorry for the incovenice though--Galm 00:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I fixed it already. ^_^ Ҝəυzø8 01:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Yo dude thanks, I guess it just doesnt like me. Ill be working on her other templates.--Galm 02:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
We all make minor mistakes, and some are products of confusion, especially the Party template. That's very confusing at first, and later I started to learned it. And good job on adding the Trainer list, as well as the Party templates. I don't have time playing the Gen III games again... >.< Ҝəυzø8 02:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Where's this artwork from?

This one. It's Sugimori's, but I don't know where it is from. Is it from the Game Freak site; it has had tons of official art that hasn't appeared any place else? It can't be though, it's too small. Lovely Rose 00:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it is from the GF website, or maybe Sugimori's site or something. I don't recognize it from anywhere else. As for "it's too small", it could be a thumbnail that someone accidentally saved, or it got resized somewhere along the line, etc. ZestyCactus 00:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Artwork

May's and its male counterpart Brendan's newest artworks are the only where is no some gadget besides some kind of pokéball. (Brendan haves pokénav in R/S artwork.) Gold and its female counterparts have pokédex, Red and Leaf have VS. Seeker and Lucas and Dawn have pokéwatch. This could be nice trivia?--Banetoid 06:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

When was this artwork made?

This one. I find it odd that Ken drew her with brown eyes instead of blue. A simple coloring error? Or were her eyes originally brown? I can understand Brendan, since his hair/hat is apparently undecided at the moment, but May's eyes? Lovely Rose 01:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Forget it. It's from 2004. Must be a coloring error of some sort..Lovely Rose 13:47, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Younger sister?

As the PC in RuSa, her table lists May having an unnamed younger sister. But Brendan's table doesn't (as the player), and neither does Norman's. Explain? And if she does exist....where is she? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this befuddles me, too. Anyone? Pocketfanmk 23:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Route 119 emerald

Ok, so I just battled her in Emerald on Route 119(my starter was Mudkip) and her Pokémon were Slugma, Grovyle, and Lombre(female, Swift Swim(judging on how it didn't recover HP even though it was raining), with Fake Out/Nature Power/?/?), not Slugma, Grovyle, and Wingull. WaterUser (page, talk) 15:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm also interested to see that her team with one starter at that point is listed with Wingull and another with Pelipper. —darklordtrom 02:32, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Lilycove Battle - Ludicolo

I fought May yesterday, and her Ludicolo knew Astonish, not Fakeout. Am I making a mistake, or is this page wrong (just thought it best to check before editing) Shadowhammer321 00:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

OFFICAL ARTWORK

I have the official art from the US site, but I can't put it on the page even though It is uploaded it to the archives (and I uploaded a second copy with noticing another copy was uploaded as well), because it's protected until November. Any way around this or can someone else put it in the page? AnimeMagic (talk)

Yeah, can someone put this in the infobox? SeanWheeler (talk) 16:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC) Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png
Well looks like Pokemaster updated the article so problem solved. SeanWheeler (talk) 23:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Hometown, Relatives and other info might be different in ORAS

While I doubt they will change much in ORAS, I think it would be best to denote between RSE and ORAS continuity until we know for sure. For all we know now, May (or Brandon) might no longer be the offspring of Prof Birch if not chosen in ORAS. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Given past remakes, wouldn't it be a wiser decision to assume the continuities are essentially the same until proven otherwise? Every other remake has largely kept the rival's role largely the same (apart from added backstory in Silver's case), so I think unless we see something that directly suggests the characters will have a different story role, we don't need to confuse the issue by arbitrarily differentiating between the Gen III games and their remakes. --AndyPKMN (talk) 00:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
To suggest such differences is speculation. Might as well use the forums for that. Not Bulbapedia. Besides, the screenshots showing the player's bedroom and how it is inverted between genders implies that Brendan and May will still be neighbors. We need explicit proof before deciding that stuff are different. And current evidence makes some stuff look the same. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:33, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
That is not what I was saying. What I am saying is we should make it clear to the reader that the info represented is only accurate as of Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald and should not be considered correct for ORAS until proven otherwise.
It is more speculative to assume everything will remain the same even with current evidence. Otherwise we are unintentionally misleading the reader. At the very least put a Disclaimer or something. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Nah, we don't need a disclaimer. RSE is canon until November. The reader should be smart enough to realize this is RSE information, not ORAS. SeanWheeler (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Image link

Can someone with staff powers change the image link of May's Emerald outfit in the anime to File:May DP series.png? PattyMan 04:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Add quotes, please.

Littleroot Town
"Pokémon fully restored! Items ready, and..."E
Pokémon Lab
"I think I'll take a short break from fieldwork. I think I'll help the Prof here for a while."
  • After becoming the championE
"Eheheh! It's so cool that even my Pokédex is being updated! It's because you went out and caught so many Pokémon, <player>!"
  • After completing the Hoenn Pokédex (minus Jirachi and Deoxys)E
"<Player>, after this... What are you going to do? Are you going to keep battling and sharpening your skills? Or are you going to try filling the National Pokédex? I'm staying here to help the Prof."
"Oh, hi, <player>! Have you gone to that place, the Battle Frontier?"

I AM so Viet 19 05:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

ORAS team

Someone may want to recheck gender, since she has a female starter (rather than the usual male). Eridanus (talk) 20:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)