Talk:Hoenn Route 101

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This data can get very confusing (how about labeling it the way similar to some routes in GSC and RBY... ht14 14:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Birch's Gift Pokemon Gender

Is the gender pre-determined and/or locked or something? I've gotten nothing but females from the Professor. I know it could just be sheer luck, but getting three ♀ starters is like super unnatural. I picked Cyndaquil, Oshawott and Chimchar, all three have only a 12.5% chance of being female. Yamitora1 (talk) 09:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Poochyena Fang

From what I know, the elemental Fang it knows depends on your starter. Eridanus (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I've been discussing that as well. I'm getting Alpha Sapphire today (my Thunder Fang came with Treecko, BTW), and I will test a few times with Torchic and Mudklip before making what will hopefully be a final edit on this. I plan to review some Let's Plays as well. Of course, through Chaining, identical Pokémon to all three can come up later, but the tutorial one is preset to one of the three. CycloneGU (talk) 15:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
My research of Youtube videos before testing it in-game myself:
  • Treecko - Thunder Fang Poochyena (seen in two videos, and my first had it, so I'm confirming this)
  • Torchic - Ice Fang Poochyena (didn't find this video, but I've heard Ice Fang mentioned, could be Poison Fang)
  • Mudkip - Fire Fang Poochyena (saw this in a video once out of five Let's Plays chosen, not locking it yet)
More research will be conducted. CycloneGU (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Once we know if there's a pattern or not, I think the "tt" note should be moved from the div text to "One", like I did on Route 102. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Got my Alpha Sapphire copy and will be conducting research soon. Is there anything else that I should also research that is near the start of the game? CycloneGU (talk) 01:18, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

So I'm angry now. My first test with a Torchic. I can't scan the move because I never encountered a Poochyena on that run. And then something came up in between me and the Poochyena. On to a second test! CycloneGU (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Just save before the tutorial and reset if need be...? And you can either catch Poochyena and check its moves (I think it'll always succeed if you just throw a ball) or just let it attack, since that'll be its only damaging attack.
FYI, I'm on a little kick where I'm running a few Mudkips, so I'll be checking Poochyena at the same time. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:15, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I decided for future runs to just save before going to Route 101. Since I'm trying different Pokémon, I have to keep no selection made in the save file.
I can also confirm an Ice Fang on my latest test. My starter was Torchic. Going to swap between Mudkip and Torchic for tests, then do a couple of Treecko again. After that, it should be enough to say there's a link between starter and - er - Fang. CycloneGU (talk) 04:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
All right, add two Fire Fangs for a Mudkip starter. Are all of yours also Fire Fang? If so, I don't think we even need to test Torchic further, as Mudkip and Treecko both have numerous results (and none conflicting) for Fire Fang and Thunder Fang, so we can call this a case like getting one of the elemental monkeys in Unova (though I don't see how Thunder Fang covers Fire types; guess it's for Surfing later on). Prepping the edit, but will wait for your reply if you're here. CycloneGU (talk) 05:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, I have 3 (4 with my original report elsewhere) Fire Fangs so far for Mudkip. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I got a thunderfang with treeko.Yamitora1 (talk) 09:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Poochyena/Zigzagoon chasing Birch

So I'm trying to work out what'll happen if you lose that battle right after picking your starter. Now, we all know that once your starter's health gets to the red, Poochyena/Zigzagoon will run away. But I'm wondering, what if it gets a crit? Well, I've been testing it, and... I dunno if it's just me or what, but that Zigzagoon will not get a critical hit! Is it just my luck, or did they really think of everything? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 01:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Statistics

So, where do you guys take the appearance ratio of the Pokémon? Is there any piece of code or evidence to say that Wurmple appears X% and Poochyena Y% ? My questions applies for every route in every game. MannedTooth (Talk) 22:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, the game's code dictates what the rates are. That's where we get them from (except in a few rare cases, mostly in the recent games like for trash cans where that data hasn't been deciphered yet). Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I would like to get these codes if possible, how can I do that? MannedTooth (Talk) 23:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
They're not "codes". It's the game's code, coding.
Why do you need to know that stuff yourself? All the games are more or less different from each other, it's not a simple matter of saying "this is what it is in every game, go wild". You may just want to do some searching yourself with terms like "encounter rates" and "encounter tables". Sites like Project Pokemon and Smogon also tend to have users who are more intimate with those technical details. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
I know what a source code is, but usually, companies tend to not give them away. So I've been looking for them but without result, I was just wondering how these guys did. MannedTooth (Talk) 00:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't strictly say source code, though... If you just look through the machine instructions/assembly (the ROM), you're gonna be able to see how the game works—which isn't to say that's necessarily a trivial task, though. (Encryption on later games also makes it a bit harder to even read the ROMs in the first place.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
More to build on what Tiddlywinks has said, the people who have done this are people who have devices that can read and write to the 3DS, if not a modded 3DS that already does this, can view and edit files with a PC, and have created or used programs that can bypass the rounds of encryption that the 3DS uses. So, we do have the proper evidence to say that the appearance ratio is correct. If you want to explore more on how to find it within the game, then I would recommend going to link provided by Tiddlywink. --Super goku (talk) 03:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, that clears my doubts! :P Thanks guys! MannedTooth (Talk) 03:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Other Starter Pokemon

Ok so going by this page it says you get a Johto starter after speaking to Zinnia after first entering the Hall of Fame. But this was not the case for me. I went back to littleroot town constantly through out the Delta Episode and did not get a prompt when leaving to route 101 for Prof. Birch. I have now since completed the Delta Episode and I am training for my second Pokemon League completion and now only after beating the Delta Episode was I given the option to get a Johto Starter. So why is this? will I be able to get the rest after beating the league another two times? or is something a miss? BTHR Zero X (talk) 00:38, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

"If the above conditions are met, then the next time the player exits their house in Littleroot Town, Professor Birch will be heard yelling for help from Route 101." From what you said above, it doesn't sound like you were doing that exactly. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I have been in and out the houses and lab several times now with no luck. After doing some googling others have stated this issue also. So maybe they exact method for getting the event to tick is not list here? BTHR Zero X (talk) 04:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
It's tough asking you what your exact situation was in the past. So...
What's your exact situation now, and are you having a problem with this now? If so, we can try to troubleshoot it. If not, maybe you can proceed (if you still have a starter to unlock) and see if you run into any more trouble.
Beyond that, I've not had trouble in the past myself, a few other people have said similarly, and I'm sure a silent majority also haven't had any problems. I don't want to dismiss your problems out of hand, but if you can't either tell me how to replicate the troubles you're having or give some very strong proof (like a video that runs from you clearing one condition to not being able to trigger Birch's event), it's really hard for me to just take your word. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Prof. Birch's Wife?

One time, after I beat the elite 4 & champion, and after walking out onto route 101, I found Prof. Birch being chased by his wife instead of a Poochyena. I couldn't find anything about this on the page, so I just wanted to put this here because I'm not sure what makes this happen. - unsigned comment from Kermit XP (talkcontribs)

It's part of the starter thing. That detail's not mentioned just because it's not terribly important, and trying to include it just starts cluttering up what's already there more than it already is. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:17, 10 June 2016 (UTC)