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Regarding Versions Exclusives and Location Tables

Hello. I'm just letting you know that your point has been discussed, and it's been decided that no change is necessary. The tables' main purpose is to show version-exclusives, and if you have to trade for one, it makes the entire line a version exclusive. Even a newcomer to the series should be able to understand that they only have to trade for one member of the line in order to get the later evolutions. But thank you for your concern about the issue. Crystal Talian 04:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Preview Button

Please try to use the preview button and combine your edits more often. This is to prevent the same page being edited four or five times in a row. Please keep this in mind during future editing. Thanks, --Pokemaster97 21:22, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I actually thought of things to add after the fact on two of those consecutive edits, hence why I did that. One or two of the edits could have been saved, but when reviewing what I added, I missed individual cases of what I was changing. Even previewing, that happens. CycloneGU (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I understand that happens, that's why I said try. That's why you preview to have a greater chance of catching those individual cases you may have missed. --Pokemaster97 21:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Boom, Reshiram.

Please do not discuss the unconfirmed event legends on an unrelated Talk page (in this case Zygarde's). I'm leaving you a friendly reminder so you don't make the same mistake again. Thank. --The Truth aka Relicant 17:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is no other page to talk about them. Since Zygarde would be linking to one of them (whichever one is 719, which is suggested from findings on Serebii to be Diancie, then Volcanion, then Hoopa), I thought that was the best place TO bring up the subject. Where else SHOULD I bring this up on the Wiki? CycloneGU (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
The Talk page of legendary Pokémon would obvs be a good place to bring up the unconfirmed three. Unless the trio are somehow related to Zygarde, it's irrelevant bringing them up on it's talk page. --The Truth aka Relicant 17:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I'll take a look there, then. CycloneGU (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Learnset tables

Just thought I would let you know that you only need to put "xy=n" in the header templates, so you don't need to put the "XY|ORAS" before it. Also you don't need to add anything extra (such as "XY|ORAS|xy=n") to the footer templates. Lady Ariel 23:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Noted. I was however looking at the footer and noticing that it does not center correctly, so it might be something to address by tying it to the footer having the added data, and therefore I'm going to keep adding it to the footer hoping it eventually triggers a wider centering range (the code adds the three columns, so the footer needs to account for the three columns too). I noticed a few pages ago one with your abbreviated form, so can change back to that, but the footer still needs re-centering.
I also have plans to compile the full TM list with contest data in a working page in my userspace; I can then use my Notepad to crop the list for each of the 719 Pokémon based on data already on the page without editing that page. If any data is missing or needs further modifications, they can be done after that; such edits will be done one by one as I get to them. They obviously won't all be today; I only plan to set up the tables for those up to Deoxys today, and will take a break to set up my TM page after that. I'll show you what I'm talking about later, and most of THAT editing (after setup) will likely be tomorrow if the Twitch channel I moderate goes on broadcast this evening. CycloneGU (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Please don't change the tables to the version with the contest stats until you are ready to add the information in. This way, we can complete everything in one go. --Pokemaster97 23:14, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The reason I'm setting up the tables now is because I have the code for the table setup on my clipboard and can do that in one swoop; that way, I don't forget to add the headers in a later edit. That's more important for the Hoenn group than the others, hence why I'm only fixing Hoenn this evening; everyone else up to Celebi and from Turtwig onwards can wait to have their tables set up until I have the info ready. The header is different for every table because of the different types in the header providing the colour, and since I'll be editing in Notepad, that's why I find it easier to get this particular set of tables done now.
Once I have my TM list set up with all the contest data, I'll be continually copying the table into Notepad and cropping the headers and any unlearned TMs by whoever I'm editing so I can just replace all tm5 data with all tm6 data.
I will pause for now and start the TM chart, and maybe I'll change my mind and agree with you. At least that way I can get some of the tables fully completed this evening, so that might be for the best. I might be able to set the top of my Notepad to show "3|xy=n}}" to start, and that can be where I paste from (where the "3}}" is) so I don't forget it. CycloneGU (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


When someone asks or tells you that you don't need to/should not do something that you're doing, especially a veteran user or staff member, responding with a message that sums up as, "I'm going to keep doing it anyway," or, "I don't care," is not acceptable. You're welcome to respectfully discuss the reasons as to why you were doing the action, but simply shrugging off their message and continuing on (or saying you'll continue on) is nothing short of rude and insubordinate behaviour. Your account has been blocked for 1 week, and I highly suggest you take that time to read up on the code of conduct. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 23:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Your TM template

Beautiful should be used instead of Beauty to reflect the condition's renaming in ORAS.--Cold (talk) 00:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I've actually seen it done both ways with "Beauty" used more often. Do we have a consensus somewhere stating which is correct? In-game does indeed say Beautiful, and I originally went to use that, but Beauty seemed more common. It probably should be "Beautiful" everywhere. CycloneGU (talk) 00:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
To my knowledge the consensus is to use the term accurate in the Generation. Which in this case would be Clever and Beautiful for Generation VI, while Smart and Beauty would be appropriate for Generations III and IV. Lady Ariel 01:18, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I did see "Smart" (which was changed to Clever, both are green) on one of the three pages I had to edit yesterday. I knew I hadn't seen it, so that's where I thought "Beauty" came from.
I had completed the next two Pokémon (Poochyena and Mightyena) in my list, but I think I'm going to agree with Lady Ariel since I already thought the same thing. Going to change "Beauty" to "Beautiful" before posting it (only takes half a second) and then redo the other starter lists - except for the Mudkip family, I already know they're right - around that exact element after modifying my template. I can change them over on other pages as I come across them, as well. Perhaps we can work on the full move database with contest effects at a later time (some change their type, so we need to be careful with that). Details are also still missing from some moves such as Mat Block, which I never realized existed until today (the list labels it "Cool" and, if Serebii were a reasonable guide, it agrees with one appeal and three jam, so maybe that list is done?). CycloneGU (talk) 02:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

TM/HM lists

Are you able to check that the pokémon can learn these moves or are you simply guessing that the list from XY is correct against the corresponding moves in ORAS (minus obviously Rock Smash, Dive, and Secret Power) and assuming that nothing has otherwise changed between the games? Because otherwise you would have caught that Ludicolo can learn Gigi Impact and it was erroneously not on the TM list (learns it in both XY and ORAS). Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I am simply upgrading the details already in place from X/Y to have contest data. Every entry on the list from X/Y verification is staying on the list; I'm not removing anything for the time being, only adding TM94 Secret Power and the new HMs for Rock Smash (added to the existing TM94 where listed) and Dive (based on research at that very page). I'm not necessarily saying that the list is complete, just updating the accurate contest info onto the existing list. I will be researching the Kalos Pokémon specifically myself for that move after I bring the entire group into OR.
To be fair, looking at Giga Impact now, I see that yes, Ludicolo can learn it. It was in fact Lady Ariel who removed it on January 22, so I'd ask her about its exclusion. I don't have X available to check right now (normally I'd bring it up immediately as I have a Ludicolo and all TMs/HMs there, but leaving for Christmas Eve festivities shortly and may not respond further until later this evening), so can you verify that Ludicolo can learn it in X/Y? If not, then we have to tag it as OR/AS only. I will be continuing to research all of the TM lists even after they are all completed (by me or anyone else) as sometimes data can be erroneously removed, as in the January 22 situation, as by that time I expect to have the last of the TMs myself and can fully confirm every Pokémon's list at that time thanks to a completed Dex I can move in from X. That will allow any errors that get missed like this to be corrected. CycloneGU (talk) 17:52, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Actually, adding to this, I expect to be finished the game within a week, maybe even in a couple of days (or at least done the final Gym; I've been delaying to confirm I've caught everything, and I just have the last water Routes to finish), so I'll be able to access a few more missing TMs at that time, and can do all but perhaps a scant few before entering the Hall of Fame. TM21 I might not be able to acquire for a while (I have to piss off a Pokémon with herbal medicines, I guess), but as its data is the same as Return I can follow the same guideline for that move. I will be using separate checklists for verificatioh; one is the charts I set up, which I save locally in a folder by Pokédex number to confirm I've done them, and the other will be a checklist I use to individually verify Pokémon (including those I did not edit) within my game. I will be making sure all data is correct even if it isn't at first, and those errors should be minimal. There likely will be a few to add. CycloneGU (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I confirmed it learns it in XY before even writing my message, which is why I said it was erroneously left off and not that you missed it while adding your data. But that comes back to what I asked, which is if you can check that the data you're adding is correct from ORAS in terms of the moves themselves. Missing moves or wrong moves are harder to spot for than missing contest data, so it's only smart you're able to check an entire list than a partial one before adding the info, if only to be thorough.
And PS: you don't need |xy=n in the foot template; it's only for the header. |xy=n is useless text in the footer. Kai * the Arc Toraph 18:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, Lady Ariel mentioned that as well. I have figured out a bit better how the coding works, as I used to include the version that has the XY and ORAS in the header as well, but it seems that is necessary for some templates (tutoring for instance) and not for others. If I have to replace the footer, I just copy the header and change the "tmh" to "tmf", not even looking at the ending (which, as you said, is irrelevant right now).
Regarding checking the data I'm entering now; when I finish the game, I will be going back and reviewing every one of the Hoenn specimens I've already passed over (even those who can't learn TMs LOL). If something is currently missing from those and not added in the meantime, I will be finding it and adding/removing it. As tutor moves are new to OR/AS, I can already assume those have been checked when added, but otherwise, I agree with you on the three main lists, of which TMs is one of them.
Regarding my game progress, I have nailed down what remains. Corsola and Luvdisc on Route 128 (taking my Super Rod and also going to see if I can quickly find Corsola by sneaking up on it underwater), and Horsea/Seadra on Routes 130-134 (I can evolve for Seadra to save time while looking on Route 128). That will give me white dots everywhere, and that was my goal before unlocking the National Dex and new DexNav species; I can save the new Secret Spots (can anything even be caught in most of those?) and Mirage Spots (change daily or based on party) for later. Just have Bagon, who can't be caught ATM, left over from Meteor Falls. After I can use Waterfall - which is the one that may be a day or two, I'll be playing a bit when I have free time today - I'll be going through and collecting every missing TM I have access to at that point before resuming editing; I'll be using the find data from here to do that, which will serve as a secondary confirmation of that for me as well. The only delay to getting the Gym Badge is actually catching Groudon; if that's fast, I could have the badge this evening and I'm already verifying my lists. CycloneGU (talk) 18:41, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

The word "you"

Not sure if you were in a rush here, but make sure to not use the word "you" in articles, as we are not a strategy guide.--ForceFire 04:18, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I know, I always try to be careful with that, but one slips out now and then. I know that "you" is not for use outside of talk pages. Not sure how that one got in there! I'm currently doing research for that very page, in fact (see talk page), so I guess I just wasn't as careful with that as I normally would be. CycloneGU (talk) 04:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Minor request

I don't mean to be a hassle... but when you're updating the data for Contest and TM/HM moves, can you also update the Pokédex info? Not all of them have been filled out yet. Thanks in advance! ht14 23:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I actually don't know all of the Pokédex info yet. That's the only reason I'm not updating them all. Many cases are most likely just evolutions or children, so that is something that's easy to update. After seeing something Tiddlywinks was working on, I made a few updates to the Dex locations by zipping through all of the Route articles and the side areas that also have hidden encounters (Granite Cave, Mt. Pyre, etc.).
I'll take a look after I finish the Safari Zone as that takes care of all of the main areas, and I am going to take a break from lists at that time; maybe I can clear out a few entries. The Safari Zone group is the last group I have up, and I'm pushing to finish these and all of Hoenn's species because my laptop will have to go in again for the same repair as two months ago, so I want to get all of the TM lists done by tomorrow just in case I have to leave the laptop for three-four weeks again; I won't be doing this work on any loaner, which means I might have to break for a while. I might still do the Unova and Kalos groups at that point and just keep a folder handy, just because they are not related to earlier generations and there's no cross-generation work to do, and I know I already updated Dex info for them as far as Mirage Forest locations and where they appear after defeating.capturing the legendary, so I will try to make a good list of those before doing editing of their lists so those that have to be evolved or bred can be easily noted.
I'll go back for the current group when I'm done as I haven't fully researched them all and am merely updating the charts at the moment. CycloneGU (talk) 23:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I meant just in general. There were some like Seel in which you have the information filled out for Contests, but not Pokédex info, so that's why I was wondering. ht14 23:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. I did Pinsir and Heracross because they're individual and I KNOW where they are found, but that's not the case for everything. Those that are bred or evolved only I will figure out later. Seel I could have marked perhaps, but Dewgong I think is evolve only, so I didn't want to leave it half done. CycloneGU (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps you have confused what I was saying, haha. I think both location info and Pokédex info are important, but at the very least Pokédex info (the blurb) should be incorporated into the page as well. Eh, in any case, you're helping out a lot, so it's all good. Just wanted more concise edits in one go if anything. ht14 04:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Trust me, when I start working on Unova and Kalos specimens (which is probably going to follow my rematches data acquisition because 1. I might be on a loaner next week anyway; 2. I can play the game regardless of laptop used; 3. I need to get the National Dex in AS!), I will be trying to do more in a single go because I think most of those two sets are missing their OR/AS entries anyway. I'm almost done the Hoenn TM/HM charts, so I'm going to burn through at least to Metagross (seven left in that case!) and leave just the legendaries to do tomorrow, and maybe then I can look for missing data on any Hoenn entries since I have that Dex on AS anyway and can just move Pokémon over. I'm checking legendaries right now to see if their Dex entries and locations are all entered; I just checked the three Regis (all already updated by someone else) when I saw the alert at Tiddlywinks' page. CycloneGU (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Not a problem! No need to be so defensive haha. I was just curious. What you're doing right now is a lot of work as well. Keep up the great work! ht14 04:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not trying to be defensive (I don't even see now how I'm being defensive, I'm just explaining what I'm up to LOL). =) I was bullied when I was in elementary and high school, so if I seem defensive, I think it's just second nature to me. I also tend to talk a lot at times. Bad habit. CycloneGU (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Monferno page

I noticed that you edited it too many times, some good advice is not only limit edits to a page within 3 edits (before waiting an hour or two before editing it again), but also use the preview button whenever performing delicate operations (which I do when modifying images and templates to avoid accidental mistakes. Those pieces of advice, along with the occasional proof-reading should help as Bulbapedia is one of the few wiki sites where the number of edits on a single page within a timeframe is limited to avoid server stress. -Tyler53841 (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

If you look up my page, someone's already made me aware of that (and I knew it then too, just didn't know they had any kind of policy on it as I never ran into that elsewhere). And you are suggesting I leave mistakes I know about for someone else to clean up, which doesn't seem ideal (if I don't edit for a while, they get picked up and fixed). I'm modifying four or five tables at once; I think occasional instances of mistakes that I don't catch in previews or that somehow sneak in without me noticing is fine. CycloneGU (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


Are you sure that moves should be included in the prior evolution table if the evolution learns it by tutoring? I've seen it in the past on pages like this (Endure) and this (Covet) where the moves aren't considered exclusive to prior evolutions in games where the tutors exist. Granted I forgot that there were no tutors for Zen Headbutt in X/Y so I wasn't right to completely remove that entry regardless.--Cold (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I've been hesitant on that, myself, but I looked at a Gen. V table and saw the same treatment, so I'm going by history. Besides, Munna's Gen. V treatment was identical. CycloneGU (talk) 23:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I guess I misunderstood your message then lol. What exactly did you mean by "Munna's Gen V treatment"?
Also, for what it's worth, both Ludicolo and Musharna both use the same formatting on their Gen V learnsets for those exact same moves. No sup template, just use of the last parameter, which is coded into the prevo5/prevo6 templates. Same applies to the learnsets I linked in my last message. The implication with those tags isn't that the pre-evolutions no longer learn the moves in B2W2/Emerald/ORAS/whatever, it's that with the tutors introduced in those games those moves are no longer exclusive to pre-evolutions. Basically, if you were playing XY/BW for example, if you wanted Zen Headbutt on your Musharna you would have to learn it as a Munna before evolving it, but in ORAS/B2W2 that's not absolutely necessary because of the tutors. I don't know if any guidelines changed since those pages were made, but that was my understanding.--Cold (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
My understanding is that the tutor table does not count. After all, you have to have the Battle Resort (and be finished the game, thus) to have access to Move Tutors. So I think that is why those tables do not count. Therefore, even if a move (like Zen Headbutt in this case) appears in the Move Tutor table, it is still considered exclusive to Munna and not learnable by Musharna. Yes, it can be tutored later, but by that point the player is merely breeding and doing all sorts of post-game stuff. CycloneGU (talk) 01:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
That seems like a pretty arbitrary distinction. Don't you have to beat the game to get Munna too? (Honest question, I haven't beaten the game yet myself)--Cold (talk) 01:41, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
No, Munna is catchable in a Mirage Spot. Can do that before the final Badge. Also, you can trade it in at any time after you obtain the PlayNav. The same goes for X/Y (though it's not called the PlayNav I think). CycloneGU (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Alright. I'm still not a huge fan of that particular reason (the Endure tutor in Emerald is post-game and Slaking isn't, for example, yet its page still uses the tags), but I guess I'll drop the issue for now.--Cold (talk) 02:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
If you'd like, ask a higher staff member about it. I've been wondering why they have tutor moves and exclusive moves including the same entries, but I just formulated what I think is a reason for it. They might be able to give you a better answer, and it could help me as well. CycloneGU (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Separate entries

We do that only if the Formes have different compatibility (like Move Tutors for Giratina), since from what I've seen, this is not done for Rotom or Shaymin. Eridanus (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

The STABs differ between formes, which is the reason it was added. While Psyshock is not different, Thief, Fling, and Shadow Ball are, and need both entries. I just split it for all moves to keep consistency.
If it's not necessary and within the manual of style to have only one entry where there is no difference, then by all means do whatever is right. CycloneGU (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

User template

You don't need to wait for a template to be mainspaced before using it in the userspace. So you can use {{User:CycloneGU/Template:Sdex}} on your Shuffle page and actually start working on it. glikglak 13:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, good to know. I guess it's not possible to use templates created in the userspace (started a List of routes project too, same problem with only North working on the original template), but I'll experiment with it now that I have the Rdex setting. It might be better that I looked up that page first, anyway. =) CycloneGU (talk) 17:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Braixen not learning a new attack upon evolution

Let me rephrase: I'm just saying that before Braixen's evolution, whenever a Pokémon evolved in the XY series, they immediately used a move that they did not know before evolving. When Fletchling, Froakie, Goomy, and Luxio evolved, all four Pokémon instantly used an attack that they did not know before evolving. Fletchinder used Flame Charge, Frogadier used Aerial Ace, Sliggoo used Dragon Breath, and Luxray used Electric Terrain. Now for Braixen's case, as soon as she evolved, she used Flamethrower, an attack she already knew back when she was a Fennekin. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 20:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm not arguing that Braixen did not use a move it knew already (even though I have yet to see the episode; even Goomy's arrival still hasn't aired in North America, after all, and won't for two weeks). I'm just saying we can't prove it didn't learn a move unless it uses all four of its known moves before showing off a new move. If Braixen shows a new move before doing that, then we will have to simply word that Braixen did not immediately use a new move upon evolution, not that Braixen (I always spell that wrong, third time correcting it while typing this...) didn't learn a new move.
Even with that said, however, there are a lot of episodes left. This falls in line with the other trivia. Another Pokémon will evolve in a future episode, and it may or may not learn a new move. We can't really include this trivia until it's the only case in the series. CycloneGU (talk) 22:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)