Talk:Turtonator (Pokémon)

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Origins

I think this guy might be partially based on the Prehistoric Proganochelys Turtle with the spiked tail, Mata Mata have normal testudine tails. The shell could be based on an Alligator Snapping Turtle's shell, which has spikes BlazingLitten22 (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The head also looks kinda like that of a Kappa.--Pokencyclopedia (talk) 11:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

terminator

could the name also come from terminator?Yamitora1 (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

A lot of words end in "nator" that MIGHT fit. "detonator" fits best, IMO, related to its function ("Blast Turtle") and to its Japanese name, which has the word "baku", from "bakuhatsu" for explosion. Starscream (talk) 23:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Russian name

Could someone in the staff please add this line?

|ru=Тартонэйтор Tartoneytor|rumeaning=Transcription of English name

Thanks --Raltseye prata med mej 22:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

colour

the colours may be based on the french marigold - unsigned comment from Spiderwars98 (talkcontribs)

Origin

Like, OK, I recognize that one of the reasons these pages are locked is so that people don't go on about origins and such before we know anything about the Pokemon. But this is pretty clearly inspired by a kappa?

It has the beak, the shell, and the head. The makamaka turtle lacks a bird like beak like the one Turtonator possesses, and it's head does not resemble that of a turtle.

I don't know, the only reason why we say it seems to be based on the mata mata is because mata mata are native to Hawaii. Yet zebra can't be found in America at all. And pandas can't be found in France, either. Not saying that we cannot say that it "may be based on the mata mata turtle", but we should definitely say "visually it resembles a kappa". - unsigned comment from GMario3826 (talkcontribs)

Actually, the mata mata is a South American turtle. It's not a native Hawaiian turtle. The reason we say its based on the that is because that is the turtle it most resembles - from its flat body to its slender nose. The reason I haven't added the kappa is because it doesn't seem to resemble a Kappa anymore than any other monster-turtle hybrid. It also doesn't match the kappa's lore, nor does it have the kappa's classic ability to hold water in its head. In fact, the lack of a depression in its head makes it more like the mata mata, whose head is also flat with rough edges. Really, it just looks like a cross between a land mine and a turtle. Crystal Talian 01:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Minor text fix

Since there's the stupid edit lock, can someone with permissions change the "lives at volcanoes" part to "lives near volcanoes?" Geodude6 (talk) 11:16, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

"No. It doesn't have the depression on its head."

OK, so... Golduck is outright compared to a kappa? So we can say it's based on the kappa. It does not have the depression on it's head. It does not even have a shell.

Lombre, meanwhile, is also described as kappa like, by Bulbapedia's page. It does not have the depression on it's head (although that's because their head is based on a sombrero... and this might also explain why Turtonator doesn't, since it's head is supposed to look like a land mine.)

So, Turtonator has a feature over both of these (the shell commonly attributed to kappa), and yet I cannot even note the POSSIBILITY that it is based on a kappa... because? - unsigned comment from GMario3826 (talkcontribs)

Golduck's origin notes the kappa because its Pokedex entries explicitly compare it to a kappa. Lombre's dish on its head collects water in the same way as a kappa's head, and it also has the kappa's beak.
Turtonator, meanwhile, doesn't have the characteristic depression, doesn't have the beak, doesn't seem to live in watery areas or be amphibious in any way, and doesn't seem to have any behavioral similarities to kappas. The only connection I can see between Turtonator and kappas is that they're both bipedal and have turtle shells. I don't think we should be putting "kappa" in the origin of every bipedal turtle-like Pokemon; I think we've got to keep to a bit stricter standard about it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes... but at the same time your definition is overly strict. It has a dish on it's head, it has a beak, and this isn't even the only series to have fire kappas. Magic: The Gathering did that a long time ago, back during the Kamigawa block. Call that irrelevant, but Pokemon has hippopotamuses and crocodiles that live in sand. There's no real reason for it to have a dish on it's head besides "this makes it look a bit more like a kappa". As for behavorial similarities, we have no idea as to what it's behavior is even like. I can understand where you're coming from: you don't want everything to be compared to a kappa. But I really feel like that Turtonator has too many similarities to a kappa, even if only in appearance, for us to just ignore it out of hand. To me it looks a lot more like a kappa or another turtle then it does the mata mata. - unsigned comment from GMario3826 (talkcontribs)
Just because another franchise has done a thing doesn't mean it's the same case here. It has more of a helmet on its head, not a dish. If it had a dish, it'd have the depression on it's head (like a dish should). Its mouth also looks more like a snout than a duck bill (which a Kappa is usually depicted as having). Hippowdon and Krookodile at least look like what they are meant to look like. All Turtonator has in common with the Kappa is the shell on its back, which is not enough to make a connection. Without the iconic duck bill and depression on its head, it's just a normal turtle.--ForceFire 04:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC);
Bringing this back up. Even if it doesn't look exactly like a kappa, to me it looks a lot more like a kappa then it looks like any kind of turtle, or even turtles in general. GM_3826 (talk) 12:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I don't really see any relation between the Kappa and Turtonator at all. If you look at a picture of a mata mata turtle, you can see the similarities there. --Celadonkey 14:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Again. The only thing Turtonator has in common with the Kappa is the turtle shell. Turtonator does not have a depression in its head, like a Kappa. Turtonator does not have a duck beak, like a kappa (it's more like a snout, fitting its Dragon type). You can't just see two things with only one thing in common and say one may be based off the other, especially if that one thing is something as common as a turtle shell.--ForceFire 07:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Additional turtle influence

Perhaps some of the influence may have come from the prehistoric spiked meiolaniid turtles such as niolamia or meiolania. If this wasn't, something should be. Grub (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Hidden Ability

I find it rather odd that Turtonator has no hidden ability despite the fact that it isn't a Mythical Pokemon, it doesn't have Levitate, it doesn't have any form-changing ability nor does it evolve to/from any of the above. Does anybody know the reason why? Thanks The IceCream (talk) 13:12, 17 February 2018 (UTC)