Talk:Ninetales (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset
Latest comment: 15 December 2021 by Sandrew26 in topic Flamethrower
Flamethrower
@Abcboy Vulpix does learn flamethrower at level 29 by levelup in generation III, and therefore it should be a 'by prior evolution' move for ninetails. I just leveled a vulpix from 27 to 29 on my emerald cart to confirm it. I won't undo your undo, because I don't want to get in trouble for edit warring. Sandrew26 (talk) 03:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Ninetales can learn it via TM, so it doesn't need Falmethrower listed in by prior evolution.--ForceFire 07:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but it can learn it that way, so why wouldn't it be shown? I don't understand. Sandrew26 (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pokémon articles present pokémon 'as is' and not under the assumption they've been evolved by a trainer. 'By a prior evolution' is a representation of moves that the current form doesn't have access to by 'as is' prior evolutions. Ninetales has access to Flamethrower without having been evolved from a Vulpix. It's unnecessary to list it 'by a prior evolution'. Kai * the Arc Toraph 22:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm still not sure I'm understanding this. So, you're saying that a wild ninetails below level 45 would know Ember, Quick Attack, Confuse Ray, and Safeguard 'as-is'. It can only learn Tail Whip, WillOWisp, Imprison, and Grudge from having being evolved by a trainer from a vulpix that knew them. Because it can learn Roar from a TM and Flamethrower from a TM, it doesn't matter that it could have learned them from a vulpix that a trainer evolved it from. But, TMs are a finite resource. In RSE, you can only get one Roar TM per save file. Flamethrower can at least be repurchased at the game corner, but I think that for a player who has already used their Roar TM, knowing that another way to get roar onto a ninetails is through a prior evolution would be very valuable information. Even if you disagree that it's valuable to know, I don't think it's clear that the "by a prior evolution" section isn't comprehensive. Can there be like a note or something that says "by prior evolution unless it's available some other way" or something? Is that also true for move tutor, where it won't be included in "prior evolution" if it's available from a tutor? And, what takes precedence between egg moves/ breeding and prior evolution? Both of those involve player involvement/ evolution. Sandrew26 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pokémon articles present pokémon 'as is' and not under the assumption they've been evolved by a trainer. 'By a prior evolution' is a representation of moves that the current form doesn't have access to by 'as is' prior evolutions. Ninetales has access to Flamethrower without having been evolved from a Vulpix. It's unnecessary to list it 'by a prior evolution'. Kai * the Arc Toraph 22:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but it can learn it that way, so why wouldn't it be shown? I don't understand. Sandrew26 (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
(resetting indent)It doesn't matter if TMs are not re-usable, you can still get a Ninetales with Flamethrower and Roar via TM. What the player does with those TMs or how they can cause different outcomes is not of concern.--ForceFire 07:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Okay. So could you please at least put a note saying that that's how that section works, please? Right now, it just says "by prior evolution", which I assume means it's comprehensive since there's no mention of any exceptions to what is included there. If TMs aren't included, it would be nice to know. Are tutor moves included? Egg moves? A note or explanation on the box would clarify it. Sandrew26 (talk) 19:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)