Talk:Ninetales (Pokémon)

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Isn't ninetales supposed to live for 9,000 years? Or ten thousand years...Empoleon13 23:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The Pokédex entries on the species pages are taken directly from the games, so they are correct. As they state, Ninetales lives for 1000 years. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 00:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

GSC Back Sprites

I noticed that the Shiny bakc sprite from GSC has more tail than the not-Shiny version. Is it an error/something and should it be noticed in trivia? --Teddi'Ampha

Holy crap. I hope that's not an error from the uploader.--ForceFire 13:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The regular sprite is from Gold and Silver, whereas the Shiny sprite is from Crystal. Normal Crystal Nintales has the bunch of tails also. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 14:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Ah. Someone should probably revert the person that uploaded the shiny crystal sprite if the GS Backsprite is the norm for the sprite box.--ForceFire 14:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, I reuploaded it. The funny thing is, the file said <Spr b 2g038 s.png> not 2c like it should've been.--ForceFire 14:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Huh? Shouldn't it be under 2c not 2g Jo?--ForceFire 14:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually we both reverted it to the same file at the same time. It shouldn't cause any problems. And we already have the Crystal Sprite. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 14:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


If Vulpix or Ninetales has their Hidden Ability (Drought), it functions the same as having Sunny Day. When Sunny Day is active, Water type moves are reduced to 50%. If that is the case (and please correct me if I am wrong) would the effective damage of Water type moves against a Vulpix / Ninetales with Drought effectively be 1x and not 2x, due to the 50% Water Type reduction. I was just looking under the "Type Effectiveness" section and noticed it wasn't under the Notes. Can anyone verify / double check with me please? Thanks (Solstice (talk) 09:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC))

Effects due to weather are not included in the type effectiveness chart. --SnorlaxMonster 10:01, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

True, it simulates weather. But it's not caused by a move or environment. It's a continuous and passive trait of that specific pokemon, making it a constant effect. Just like Levitate is a continuous and passive trait. (Solstice (talk) 10:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)) I agree though. It is a weather effect, but it is not weather induced. It is ability induced, making weather. (Solstice (talk) 10:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC))

The Ability induces the weather, but the weather causes the effect. --SnorlaxMonster 10:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I understand. Just thought it would be worth annotating under the notes portion. That's all. (Solstice (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC))

Put it this way: if you Skill Swap Levitate off a Pokemon, it becomes susceptible to Ground-type moves, so it's important to indicate that it is immune to Ground-type moves only if it has Levitate. But if you Skill Swap Drought off Vulpix or Ninetales, the weather continues and Water-type moves remain 1x effective even though Vulpix/Ninetales doesn't have Drought anymore. Conversely, if you use Rain Dance, Water-type moves become 3x effective even though Vulpix/Ninetales still has Drought. It's not the Ability that affects the type effectiveness, it's the weather that does. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Needs redirect

For some reason, Ninetales_(Pokemon) doesn't redirect here, even though every other pokemon I've tried it with has that style of redirect. Either somebody should undelete that redirect, or they should start deleting a hell of a lot more. --Cedrickc (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Apparently SnorlaxMonster deleted that page and the equivalent one for Ho-Oh, as well as several un-CamelCase-ed move names, back on April 19. I didn't restore the moves because I understand his justification ("encourages misspelling"), but I restored Ninetales and Ho-Oh because the "é" character is very useful to redirect, seeing as how we don't have a little button to insert it in the search bar like we do here in the editing box. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok so whats up with Alola Ninetales?

Just want to point out that Alolan Ninetales is the first ever Ice-Fairy Pokemon, so why is that not included in the trivia section yet? Granted I would add it myself but I cant seem to change anything on the page at the moment. Im also curious as to what people think about Alolan Ninetales compared to the regular Ninetales that we all know. Personally I hate the new typing but I think the design is fantastic, and now that Ninetales has a new form, were probably not going to see any mega evolution, and that makes me upset. You're thoughts? Blackoutdmc (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

To answer the first part: It's not in trivia because being "first" is not notable. If, once all the Pokemon are revealed, it is a unique typing then it will be notable. It will be added to the page at that time. As for the rest of your questions . . . The discussion of the Pokemon itself, lack of Mega Evos, etc, is talk for the forums. This page is to talk about the improvement of the article. Crystal Talian 02:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow, you came on a little strong! Sorry I asked. Could you then direct me to the page in which you mentioned? Blackoutdmc (talk) 21:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
If you mean the Bulbagarden forums, you are looking for this. And no need to be sorry, we're here to help! CycloneGU (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Separate Pages for "Normal" and "Alolan" Ninetales.

I actually think that all the new Alolan Pokemon should get a separate page. This isn't a forme change we're talking about here, it's a subspecies of a Pokemon. Pokemon with several formes such as Giratina, Hoopa, etc. can stay on one page because the Pokemon in question eventually revert to their original formes. These Alolan Pokemon will forever stay Alolan Pokemon. - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talkcontribs)

There are plenty of Pokemon with forms that can never change from one form to another — for instance, Shellos/Gastrodon or Flabebe's line. Ultimately, it comes down to whether their National Dex numbers are the same or different. Until the game comes out, we won't know that, but at the moment it's more prudent to keep all the information together on one page, since it would be unprecedented to have separate National Dex numbers for forms of the same Pokemon. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Note also we have Regional form which covers all of the Alolan forms. That suffices for our purpose. CycloneGU (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, but Gastrodon and Flabebe's typings stay the same. Their changes are entirely cosmetic. Variant formes are essentially changing the entire Pokemon to it's core. It's not that it learns an extra move like Sky Shaymin would, these variants are going to have completely different movepools to deal with. IDK, this whole "we have an Alolan formes section that covers everything, that will suffice" seems more like laziness to me. But I don't make the Bulbapedia rules, so I guess I'll just have to accept it. Does no one else really think it's going to look incredibly messy to have information on basically two Pokemon all on the same page though? - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talkcontribs)
Can I ask something? Give it a bit of time. Right now, all we know is the types and Abilities pretty much. The thing that'll make the most difference is the move sets. So until that's included, how about we just hold off on pre-emptive complaints? For now, they are the same species. Once the games actually come out, we'll have everything we need to make a real judgement at our fingertips, and then we can decide what these forms really need. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The game is out now. It's time to make a descision and right now I strongly agree with Milotic1209. This page is very messy right now and that should be fixed. Despite the fact that they are the same species they certai ly are not the same Pokémon. Complete with different appearances, moves, dex entries, evolution methods and typing. Honestly, this format really sucks.Blackoutdmc (talk) 03:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Different forms pictures

Hi, guys. I hope everyone's doing great.

I love Bulbapedia and enjoy reading all its neutral, informative articles. One thing though always bothers me: why are the pictures of another forms always smaller than the original pokémon? Mega evolutions, alternate forms, alolan forms, gender differences... I believe it'd be better if you hold the original as it is but added a separation with the different form right below, the same size as the original. I mean, you can't even see them sometimes (as is the case with alolan Ninetales). I suggest it becomes like that, it'd be so much better.

Did not know where to share it, thought this would be appropriate. Hope it is. :) - unsigned comment from Lettremode (talkcontribs)

That would make the infobox larger, especially for anything with more than one alternate form. We do not want that. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's my point... It's not good the way it is and it's kinda unfair to the other forms. Your reply is the obvious reason, I just don't think it's at its best. Whatever works for safer zoners then I guess... - unsigned comment from Lettremode (talkcontribs)
"Fair" is incredibly subjective. And you can always click on the images to see them bigger. Then you can see everything you could hope for, and the infobox doesn't have to be stretched; win-win. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Again, you're saying obvious things. Plus, if you paid attention, I did suggest that the images could be divided by a line or something. But I also did get you are not open to changing so we're good, no need for the passive-aggressive attitude. You can delete this post after you read it, thanks and enjoy life. :) - unsigned comment from Lettremode (talkcontribs)
If we made the additional images the same size as the main image, it would make the template too large and unappealing to the eyes, regardless if it was separated or not. Like Tiddlywinks said, you can always click on the image if you want to see it in full or have trouble seeing it.--ForceFire 02:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
I thought I might give my input on this, although I get your point that the way things are right now it suggests that a form is more important than another, I think it's not that bad since it only shows the original form it was released as. The way people know them most. So for now, it's more useful that way. It might change, but for now, even though I totally get your point, I think it should stay this way. Not to mention what the others two said! But that's great you talked about it, that's how we make things better ! Keep it up! :) MannedTooth (Talk) 02:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, MannedTooth, this is more like the response I would hope for! Thanks for taking your time and proving Bulbapedia is also represented by someone who can also be neutral in a polite way. You can count on me on that, I do hope others can learn from you. I already knew what the others said, didn't need the irony at all. Your conversation was respectful, on the other hand. Rock on! - unsigned comment from Lettremode (talkcontribs)