Talk:Grisham
Wrong link to Pokemon anime series
In the "trivia" part of the page about comparing Grisham to Alain from the Pokemon anime, the wrong link for the Pokemon anime series is used. The link used is the invalid link Pokémon: The Series, when the correct link is Pokémon the Series. The page is protected so I can't edit it and fix the link. Jort (talk) 07:33, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- fixed anZAsquiddles 2222(:D)SSSS (talk) 07:36, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
I don't know if the page is protected or not
But can I add that all of Grisham's Pokemon have a 4x weakness to a type? Kathylikestoread (talk) 03:13, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- It's not protected, but that's also not true, so it shouldn't be added. Pyroar has no 4x weakness (and if we want to split hairs, Mega Charizard X doesn't either). Driftin Soul (talk) 03:18, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- I was going to say besides for Pyroar, but sorry. Kathylikestoread (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- No need to apologize. I personally don't think it's particularly worth noting if it isn't all team members, but others might feel differently. Driftin Soul (talk) 03:28, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- I was going to say besides for Pyroar, but sorry. Kathylikestoread (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
Type specialty
To the user who reverted my edit, I’d like to repeat my point of the battle zone Nouveau members exclusively using Dark or Fire-types, and all organization "grunts" in this game have two type specialties (e.g. the FoJ with Fighting and Ghost) which correspond with their leaders' and "admins'" specialties.
I’ve seen similar reverts occur on Lida and Naveen's pages, but they were undone by an admin who brought up reasoning against an argument similar to yours regarding theming.
Once again, despite his ace not literally being a Dark-type, its Mega form's colors definitely correspond to the meaning of Grisham's name (ashes), and he is notably a contrast to Griselle, as he is more reserved and was mentally stuck in his position as a child of Team Flare. It’s only after he is defeated by the player during their promotion match that he starts to see the light and gradually let go of the past.
If it helps, many former Flare members used Dark-types.
I’d appreciate if there are others with better reasoning who can support my points, if possible.
X2ombie1337 (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'm gonna have to agree with Superstarxalien here. 3/6 doesn't make a preference. His party also does not change in terms of makeup between the first and final matches. It would make him more of a member of Flare Nouveau than a Dark-type Trainer. You could probably get away with calling it a "lean" towards Dark-type, but I wouldn't call it a specialization. BittersweetVICTORY (talk) 02:19, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah I would agree, but unfortunately this kinda applies to some other Trainers too, so the original idea of type specialisation has become unclear. I wish there was a better way to express the idea. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Also it’s interesting since Grisham and Griselle are tied to Team Flare, whose members have a tendency to use certain types but they aren’t very restricted. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, their whole point is "we were Flare, we're still kind of Flare, but look, we're the good guys now!" which...flounders in its own right for different reasons, but makes their respective party compositions make sense. BittersweetVICTORY (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- It’s also interesting how some Trainers are considered type specialists due to their ace's typing or trainer class, despite some (e.g. Lance, Flint) straying from the norm. I get that 3/6 isn’t a good reason, but I’d say logically my main reason would it be that it lines up with this game's "grunts use same typing as leaders/admins" logic, and Griselle doesn’t purely use Fire-types too. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- The only reason we'd classify someone as a type specialist despite not all their Pokémon being the same type is if there's in-game dialogue or promotional material specifically identifying them as a type specialist. Grisham is never identified as a type specialist in-game, so we shouldn't classify him as one. Storm Aurora (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think what X2ombie1337 is trying to say is that there are currently other Z-A characters who are labeled as type specialists despite neither having all of their Pokémon share the same typing nor explicitly being defined as such (at least to my knowledge), such as Lida and Naveen. I can't recall if Griselle was stated to have a preference for Fire types, either. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Grisham and Griselle are unique since they share similar character designs, so their "specialties" aren’t very obvious until you get to know their true personalities. It’s easy to label Griselle a Fire-type Trainer since she's hot-tempered, uses Pyroar as her ace, and even uses Quick Balls, typically associated with Fire or Electric-type Trainers. She still uses Aerodactyl and Metagross, since they’re associated with Team Flare's activities.
- As for Grisham, he’s harder to type-label due to his reserved nature, but he does use Timer Balls (like Giacomo, a Dark-type specialist), and he secretly resented the branding of Team Flare as criminals (and we know that in Japanese, the Dark type is known as the "evil" type and is commonly used by villain teams), but is stuck on restoring its former glory, hence his oddly specific usage of 3 Dark-types and his ace being an "old" Fire-type Mega really suits him.
- Besides that, some organization leaders do thematically use Pokémon outside their type specialty (Jacinthe with Aurorus; Corbeau with Gyarados), so it’s safe to assume that Nouveau simply priorities theme over their intended specialties. X2ombie1337 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- TLDR: I’d say that Nouveau does have type specialties (Dark & Fire), but the Flare theming is just as, or more important for Grisham and Griselle's team compositions. X2ombie1337 (talk) 22:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think what X2ombie1337 is trying to say is that there are currently other Z-A characters who are labeled as type specialists despite neither having all of their Pokémon share the same typing nor explicitly being defined as such (at least to my knowledge), such as Lida and Naveen. I can't recall if Griselle was stated to have a preference for Fire types, either. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- The only reason we'd classify someone as a type specialist despite not all their Pokémon being the same type is if there's in-game dialogue or promotional material specifically identifying them as a type specialist. Grisham is never identified as a type specialist in-game, so we shouldn't classify him as one. Storm Aurora (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- It’s also interesting how some Trainers are considered type specialists due to their ace's typing or trainer class, despite some (e.g. Lance, Flint) straying from the norm. I get that 3/6 isn’t a good reason, but I’d say logically my main reason would it be that it lines up with this game's "grunts use same typing as leaders/admins" logic, and Griselle doesn’t purely use Fire-types too. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I mean, their whole point is "we were Flare, we're still kind of Flare, but look, we're the good guys now!" which...flounders in its own right for different reasons, but makes their respective party compositions make sense. BittersweetVICTORY (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Also it’s interesting since Grisham and Griselle are tied to Team Flare, whose members have a tendency to use certain types but they aren’t very restricted. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah I would agree, but unfortunately this kinda applies to some other Trainers too, so the original idea of type specialisation has become unclear. I wish there was a better way to express the idea. X2ombie1337 (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
(resetting indent)A trainer isn't a type specialist because their team fits their personality, it's not that deep. They're type specialists because they specialize only in one type (whether it be their whole team share a singular type or because they were stated to be a specialist of the specific type). Their ace is also a good indicator of their type preference in most cases, I'd like to think, so Griselle's ace being a Fire type helps makes her a Fire type specialist, whereas Grisham's ace is not a Dark type. Lida and Naveen at least have an ace that it Water and Dark type, respectively, so they could count as Water and Dark type specialists.--ForceFire 10:18, 4 December 2025 (UTC)