Talk:Rival

Jun why isn't Jun included in this article seeing how he is the main Rival in Diamond and Pearl

He is, there's just no sprite of him uploaded yet. Tom Temprotran 03:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Aren't some of those characters "PKMN Trainers" and not "Rivals?" -Happy Mask Man 00:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Are Dawn and Lucas really considered rivals? You never battle them, and most of the time their Pokemon aren't as strong as yours.

Question

Is there a reason we are not showing May and Brendan's sprites? They are rivals aren't they? --☆ケンジガール 05:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Wally CAN weaken!

Interestingly, if the player's starter is Treeko, then Wally will be supereffective against the player's starter. As everyone knows, Psychic>Grass.Kirbysaur 22:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No, Psychic is not super effective against Grass. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 22:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not. Psychic is 1x against Grass. If you compared this to a Template:Type2 and Bulbasaur, that would be the case as Bulbasaur is part Poison-type. Treecko is only Grass, therefore it doesn't apply. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I guess I had accidentally mistaken Treeko for a Grass/Poison type. Sorry. Kirbysaur 16:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It can weaken... If someone starts with Torchic and decides to evolve it. Kamus, the kpo... 03:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Rival

The article is about TRAINER CLASS named Rival, not sort of characters. Brendan, May, Wally, Lucas, Dawn and Barry never had this title so they shouldn't be there. Maybe there should be a separate article on Rivals (character) and Rival (the class). --Maxim 14:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Whether they are called it or not, they still are rivals. PKMN Trainer. Rival. It really doesn't matter. Ryuutakeshi 1:19 August 27, 2009

Blue in Yellow

I'll try to add the yellow sprite of blue on the page, cause it just seems appropriate. Don't worry I'll use the first one, the battles before the S.S. Anne.--DRAGON BEAST ^X 03:28, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

May and Brendan - Psuedo Rivals?

I don't think May and Brendan should be in the same category as Dawn and Lucas. You never battle Dawn and Lucas. May and Brendan are a different story. I don't think Dawn and Lucas should even be on this page. They are not rivals, AT ALL. --ケンジの ガール 03:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I (sort of) agree with Maxim's comment two sections above. ~ s o l 03:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

  Still, they are no normal trainer class, they are part of the storyline, and they use a specific starter. Megamew

Harley?

It says he's is atleast as old as Brock. Should we compare them? Harley seems like he's atleast twenty,and Brock is around the 14-15 range. Lovely Rose 01:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Silver

we need silver's sprite to be removed from the page as on the nintendo website they've updated his sprite--DSDark 03:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, someone needs to upload the new version. --エルレイド 03:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Wally - a Pseudo Rival!

He should be classified as pseudo-rival. He's simply an odd-one out in the rivals category. He has a preset name, doesn't get a starter, doesn't seem to own Pokedex, doesn't count as main game character and, the most important, he NEVER starts any heated rivalry with the player. The player meets him... three times, IIRC. His role in the game is MUCH SMALLER than opposite-gender player's. Indeed, he's much stronger than him/her, but that does NOT make him a true rival. Not every strong trainer is a rival. Bear with it, THERE IS NO TRUE RIVAL IN R/S/E. --Maxim 10:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't believe there are any "pseudo rivals" in RSE. You just have two rivals. That's it. With Brendan/May and Wally combined, you have the equivalent of what is a true rival. The only pseudo rivals are Dawn and Lucas. If you fight a trainer repeatedly on your quest, then they're a rival. Period. Calling them pseudo just because they aren't the last ones we fight or because they don't have a true starter is stupid. --ケンジの ガール 03:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Silver..

His first sprite is still there,what about this one? I think it's from the Nintendo site,or maybe it's the Pokemon site(I can't recall). Is the picture too small? Lovely Rose 22:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, too small, probably. We'll wait on a bigger image. TTEchidna 23:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Wally and Brendan/May

I would say that Wally is a pseudo rival and Brendan/May the real rival. I mean, Blue, Silver and Pearl all live in the same town as the player, own a starter Pokémon from the professor, and you get to battle them during the game multiple times. The same applies for Brendan/May, except that they don't battle the player anymore after about 6 badges. Wally is totally different to the others, you have to battle him only twice during the game, he doesn't own a starter Pokémon and doesn't live in the same town. If you consider him a rival, you should also consider Steven Stone a rival (which is stupid, of course), since you meet him several times and in the end also battle with him. --Bisasam 09:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Silver sprite????

Should silver's sprite be removed?.... based on the recent trailer on the official website,, Silver's sprite is based on the official artwork.. just asking.. try to see it heres a screenshotFile:Silver Commercial.PNG ....--GASPER^shut... 13:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Who's to say the sprite isn't in motion? Like the Platinum sprites. He could have the pose coming into the battle and then move to the other pose. --ケンジの ガール 13:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Or he could be like Blue and change his sprite every so often. Turt wig A Contributions Talk 14:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

if you look close the img,the rival have a costume more similar to silver that the sprite we have already--kyokencl 14:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the official sprite for Silver in HGSS (and yes, he does have an animation) But really, since this video isn't all that great of quality we should just wait till we can get a proper sprite up. --Ryuutakeshi 1:33 August 27 2009

If its not the official version of the sprite it needs to be removed --DSDark 03:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It is official. It's just the beta. Beta =/= Unofficial. Let it go already... --ケンジの ガール 03:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Rival Sprite(Silver)

Which one are we using?--Midnight Blue 02:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I can't read I quess.--Midnight Blue 02:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Kotone and Gold are the Psuede Rivals?

Are they?--Midnight Blue 03:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

No. They're the pseudo rivals. :P —darklordtrom 05:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Pearl need "in the anime" section

Really needs it, like Silver or recently Blue, please --Ash 20:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Kotone and Hibiki/Gold

I completely and utterly fail to see how these two count as pseudo-rivals. You never battle them, or tag battle with them, or even see any of their Pokemon besides that Marill they play with.

I haven't played with a male PC yet, so I don't know what Kotone does, but in HG Hibiki just calls me up and tells me some lie about taking some Pokemon somewhere to see something interesting. That's all. 8( 梅子 ^❄_❅ 08:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Next time Kotone calls me in SS, I'll see if I can record it. TTEchidna 05:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ronald

Wouldn’t Ronald from the TCG be classed as a rival? Mark and Mint are included in the player character section. I would add him myself but I don’t know how to work tables. Kingofall42 11:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Y in end of each name

shouldn't we add that most of the main rivals names end in Y (Gary, Wally, Barry) only silver was left and he is unnamed he could have a name ending in Y (ok it's just speculation).Badwolf1234 14:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)