Talk:Scizor (Pokémon)

Seeing red

In the episode Showdown at Dark City it was stated that Scyther hate the color red. So how can it evolve into the Red pokemon Scizor?SLE_Aman

Well, for one thing, Scizor wasn't created yet. Secondly, Scyther and Scizor are two different Pokémon, and how one feels probably doesn't affect the other upon evolution. Thirdly, it was never shown other than in that episode, and was probably just a reference to the myth that bulls hate the colour red (it's actually the waving of the cape that makes them charge; it could be powder blue for all they care). --DarkfireTaimatsu 06:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Scizor hates green. xD --Ricco 14:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Sprites

Why do the Female Platinum Sprites show it's second pose? People are going to think that the female has a whole different pose than the male! We should keep the same pose, especially since it is MUCH easier to see the gender difference if they use the same pose... And isn't that one of the whole reasons we display both male and female sprites?~m190049^~talk 05:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Male and female sprites need to show the same pose. SharKing 23:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's been over 2 weeks and no one has fixed the Sprite Problem. I would do it; but I live in the US, and don't own a copy of Plt. §hin¥£iΨ@chµ 21:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry i have it. Its also obvious that the shiny 'female' sprite is edited since ther is a black background in spaces. Hellkaiserryo12 23:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Type Advantage

This article claims that Scizor has a type advantage over Swellow... but I'm sure it doesn't? Gastly's mama 18:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

RSE Sprites

Should someone say in the trivia that the RSE Sprites are orange while GSC Sprites were red?--Pokelova 03:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

Which hopefully isn't ignored like all my others In the Trivia section:

*Scizor has the highest [[Attack]] stat of all [[Bug]] type [[Pokemon]] and is second only to {{p|Metagross}} for highest [[Attack]] of all [[Steel]] type [[Pokemon]].
Should be:
*Scizor has the highest {{stat|Attack}} stat of all {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]] and is second only to {{p|Metagross}} for highest {{stat|Attack}} of all {{type2|Steel}} [[Pokémon]].--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 22:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

We're ignoring them for a reason. Having few intervening edits will make it easier to change the template again if we need to. Hopefully this whole thing will blow over soon and you can fix it yourself. —darklordtrom 22:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Learn your freakin' math.

"Scizor has the highest powered priority move as of Platinum, Bullet Punch, counting Technician and STAB."

Not true at all. That title still belongs to Absol's Sucker Punch. They have the same Attack, and...

With STAB and Technician, Bullet Punch has 90 base Power.

With STAB, Sucker Punch has 120 base Power.

That is all. SharKing _Productions 04:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

True, but is this only for variations of Quick-Attack, or for all priority? Because Sucker Punch won't have any effect if the opponent isn't using a damaging attack. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

It's based the power of all priority moves, not just Quick Attack variants. It also doesn't matter if it misses/fails; the comparison is based solely on how powerful the move is. In that comparison, Absol's Sucker Punch reigns supreme. SharKing _Productions 18:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

sprite replacement

Could anyone replace scizor's Platinum shiny male sprite? Its slighty different colored than the other shiny sprites. Thanks. Nickvang 18:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not available to be seen without trading.

Hello, there. On Golem's and Mandibuzz's page it is mentioned that they can't be seen in the PokéDex without trading. And I think that applies to Scizor as well.

However, there is a chance I might be wrong and there is an in-game trainer I'm not aware of.

I mean, I did think that Ledian was like that but since somebody reverted my edit and pointed out that I was wrong, but if I'm right that there is no in-game trainer that has a Scizor, it might be worth adding to the trivia section.

I promise you, I will not make that edit unless people agree with me. So what do you guys say? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Double Team?

Scyther learns Double Team at level 37. However, according the the page, Scizor only learns it via TM and cannot learn it via prior evolution, obviously being contradictory. Should this be changed? - unsigned comment from Dralcax (talk • contribs)

That stuff is only for moves that can be learned only by previous stage. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit Obtainable in isle of armor

I was able to catch a Scizor in Pokémon shield on the isle of armor. It was on the challenge road during a sandstorm. Ohio.medic (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

X Y ORAS back sprite

Hey guys, I found the back sprite for male Scizor in XYORAS, but it’s not letting me put the file in. Can I get a little help with that? Thanks! --- unsigned comment from Yoshibomb (talk • contribs)

You'll need to do that via the archives, it depends on how you got them though if they were taken from another website we can't use them. --Spriteit (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

resemblance to crustaceans

pincers are very much a characteristic feature of crustaceans, so much so that they are nostly associated with it (even though not all of them have it) mantises, to my knowledge, have no pincer-like appendages crabs have pincers, imo when most poeple think of pincees they think of crabs, it is like the trunk of an elephant, feathers of a bird, shell of a turtle, pignose of a pig (all associated to these animals but not necessarily unique to them) the only other group of animals i can think of now to have pincers are scorpions, thoigh they would be much better represented by their tails in any design

crustaceans are also often associated to red colour (even though most of them are not), you ask people to draw a crab and most of them are likely to colour it red, it may be no coinsidence krabby and crawdaunt are also red instead of the more common grey colour to my knowledge there are no red mantises (i may be wrong though)

hard body (mentioned several times on the page, emphasised by the steel typing) is also not a characteristic of mantises, but is very common in crustaceans

mantis shrimp: just like scizor's pincers containing steel, they also have mineralized clubs, that they beat their prey to unconciousness (and pieces) with (lets just say they use it like a weapon similar to scizor) i know it does not look like it but that's the beauty (and freedom) of art

hybrid designs have always been common other hybrid designs in gen 2: sentret, gligar, piloswine (and there are many more in other generations) a change of inspiration is not uncommon as well change of inspiration during evolution: dragonite dragonair, clamperl huntail, remoraid octillery

yeah if this is not enough to believe that the artist put a nice pair of crab pincers on a steel hard mantis and accidentally coloured it red (a colour mantises are not associated with at all) then.... i dont know what is then let's just keep pretending it was accidentally given crab-pincers and crab colour without the artist taking the slightest inspiration from crabs or crustaceans

imo it's a perfect fusion between mantidfly and a crab/crustacean

and one more time: the whole design may as well be a pun on mantis shrimp Lphits (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

i wrote this here are the users who deleted it seem to be not open to discussions Lphits (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for removing the content without a proper explanation, no edit warring intended. As Force Fire said, Scizor is clearly not a crustacean and I really don't think the evidence you've given is strong enough to connect it to mantis shrimp or any other crustacean. For every similarity, there are several more differences. It's anatomy is almost entirely insectoid and contains nothing unique to crustaceans; plenty of bugs, such as scorpions, have pincers, very much like Scizor's, and that's the most logical explanation. It's a bug with bug pincers. That's it. Landfish7 04:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

You can't just look at one thing a Pokemon has and say it is a certain animal, it needs more than just one thing. You're not going to look at Manectric's spikes and say it's a porcunine, when it's clearly a canine creature. Same here, Scizor is clearly not a crustacean in any way. Being red and having hard skin are small, vague details that could apply to any animal that are either red or have hard skin.--ForceFire 05:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

first of all thank you for taking the time to read it, second, sorry for the inconvenience

I understand, however it is a monster, it doesn't need to have the physical appearance of the animal it has references in its design did not say it was a crustacean, only said it had their some of features

clefairy is also not very much like a rabbit or tyranitar is not much like a tyrannosaurus (like it was stated) lickitung is not much like an iguanodon (just because it has tiny nails on where its thumb is supposed to be) magmar also has very little in common with a booby and given the design and the typing it definitely wouldn't be something I'd associate it with if its Japanese name wasn't booba it literally states it might be a mixture of booby (name), ducks (duck like beak) and salamanders (tail and fire typing) these are imo much more vague than linking Scizor's colour and pincers to lobsters and such why couldn't it be a combination of mantises AND crustaceans?

red coloured pincers, however is something many people would associate with crustaceans

i think the fact that the three animals have mantis-like features and behavior (and even their name includes mantis of has a reference to it) and it has obvious crab/lobster-like pincers (which is related to shrimps) are perhaps more than coincidental yes scorpions also have pincers, but if i want a reference to scorpions in my design, i'll surely go for the tail

again i did not say it was a crustacean, i am only saying it has their features the origin section is all guesses and assumptions and i think it is very much possible for it having a crustacean implemented in it's design, given the above mentioned similarities

this space is so small on a cell phone and i needed to keep rolling up and down to add stuff, sorry for the typos and other inconveniences

thanks for reading Lphits (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

the origin entry of drowzee also mention traits of elephants (the trunk i believe?) while it is very much just a tapir lol

anyway, these are monsters displaying characteristics of certain real life/fictional beings

red colour, hard skin and mantis shrimp aside: it may be included in Scizor's origin entry that its design may implement certain features of crustaceans(/scorpions). (i mean those pincers are very much like the animals in question and definitely NOT traits of mantises etc) as i mentioned it's key part of the design, it would be unwise to just ignore it when describing its origins. once again it's supposed to be a monster combined from multiple (often unrelated sources) Lphits (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Just because a lot of these Pokemon are amalgamations of various sources, doesn't mean you can just add whatever. It also still needs to make sense, Scizor is not a crustacean and doesn't look like one. If you say crab, people would be expecting a crab like creature, not something that just happens to have pincers, which isn't somethimg exclusive to crabs. Scorpion can be a bit believable as its an arachnid (not an insect, but close enough). Again, it needs more than just one thing in common with the animal, you're not going to say Salamence is a parrot because "wings".--ForceFire 09:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

you're not going to say Salamence is a parrot because "wings" erm... definitely not, wings come in all kinds of shapes and structures (bird, insect, bat, pterosaur) but pincers, whether they belong to a crustacean or scorpions, are very similar in looks, shape and structure so, it's not the same thing at all

crustaceans, insects and arachnids, are all arthropods though

also, species, genuses etc are irrelevant in the Pokemon franchise, they all just lay eggs (the only classification that suggests species are the egg groups) that is why, for example, gligar can have traits of both a bats and scorpions, two totally different animals that have nothing to do with each other or magmar which is (sorry for repeating it) stated to be a mix of booby, ducks and salamanders, two birds and an amphibian

with lots of pokemon it only takes one good reference to make it resemble something mantine and kites, you get rid of the tail and it won't be a kite anymore magnar and ducks, you remove the duckbill and it will cease all connections it was indicated to have to ducks you remove the baby from kangaskhan, the kangaroo-dinosaur and it'll stop looking like a kangaroo remove the large rabbit ears from nidorino and Nidoking and you won't associate to rabbits anymore

these are all obvious and decisive design elements so they change your way of looking at them, and it only takes to remove them to give them a completely different look (so we are safe to assume they were not put there randomly but were included with a purpose)

same with scizor's pincers

sorry for the ugly structure of my comments, I'm using my phone and it's a pita, the space to write in is also really small and makes it inconvenient to write a well-structured text

anyway, thank you for bearing with me, wish more people would share their thoughts on the matter as well, but... oh well Lphits (talk) 02:36, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

one last thing: it's Rpe-evolutions scyther is a mantis - dinosaur, it doesn't make sense to connect the two, yet the artist did

many pokemon are mixtures of unrelated things (animals, objects etc) can't see why scizor couldn't be a mixture of arthropods Lphits (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

You also wouldn't say Salamence is a parrot because it doesn't look like one, not just because the wings are of different structure. Same thing with Scizor, it's not a crustacean because it doesn't look like one. You're still only looking at one aspect of a Pokemon and trying to connect dots, when I've explained that having one thing in common isn't enough. Scorpions would be closer because it has pincers and is an arachnid (again, close enough to being insectoid). And just because people associate scorpions with their tail, doesn't mean scorpions no longer have pincers. Origins need more than one thing connecting it to an animal, otherwise we'd have people going "Cascoon has spikes, so it could be based on all these animals, that are clearly not cocoons or insects, but have spikes".--ForceFire 05:34, 16 December 2022 (UTC)