Talk:Overqwil (Pokémon)

Letter Q

What's the point of omission of the Q letter marking on Overqwil's tail trivia in origin section? Rocket Grunt 20:14, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

It's included in the biology section. → SuperPikaPool13 07:17, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I know, but I feel like it was unfairly deleted recently. It's part of Pokemon's design and that the general interpretation of it, that it is a Latin letter and references its name. Rocket Grunt 15:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

It isn't a nod to its name as neither its Japanese or English names start with Q. Instead it's more of the idea of it having "big quills" or being a "big Qwilfish" due to being its evolution.

And it isn't something that particularly adds anything to a possible conceptual origin (i.e. doesn't seem to point out to any real life fish). Sure, it enhances the notion of being bigger and stronger than its pre-evolution, but that's just the general design philosophy of all Pokémon evolutions.

The Q on its tail is something worthy being mentioned in the Biology section, but as explained it's not something that adds anything to the Origin section that isn't already obvious.

ExLight (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I do understand that they can be associated with their names since its names also have the idea of a "Bigger Qwilfish".

But, like, does that really add that much that it needs to be explicitly said. If the answer for some reason is "yes" then I think another paragraph can be added saying it's virtually a bigger Qwilfish (would we also do it to hundreds of other evolutions?) and then mention the Q and the name as supporting evidence.

ExLight (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Biology section describes how Pokemon looks and acts, the origin section should explain why does it look that way and what does it mean. Rocket Grunt 10:50, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

That's not the point. I'm saying that it doesn't add anything to the Origin section that isn't already obvious or beyond Pokémon's general design philosophy.

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It having a capitalized "Q" on its tail, as opposed to H-Qwilfish's non-captalized "q", only gives a general notion of "bigger, stronger" the same way its larger quills do. Why this was incorporated into Overqwill's design should be fairly obvious to any person that reads a physical description of it. Dwelling on the meaning of the "q" is just simply not worth it as both its meaning and purpose in the design are obvious and don't go beyond a general Pokémon design philosophy.

ExLight (talk) 11:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Light agree that it doesn't need to be included in Origin. Biology is fine. Landfish7 11:59, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Even obvious things should be addressed. Like on Krabby's page, you'd see that "Krabby appears to be based on a crab." Pufferfish don't have letters on their tails, it's an additional element that was intentionally put there. I think origin sections should cover Pokémon's design and the thought process that appears to be there. It's also interesting that they went with the Latin alphabet and an English name instead of a Japanese one, which is something that doesn't fit in the biology. Rocket Grunt 12:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

To me, at least, explaining every single design detail starts to become excessive, especially if there's nothing for us to say about it that isn't speculative. Origin sections should mainly focus on the overall design inspiration, with minor details mentioned only to support the main design origins. I could see a case for a specific minor detail being significant enough to comment on, though I'm not sure I'm convinced that this is one of those cases. If a user sees that it's a Latin character, they can draw their own conclusions about why that is without us having to say "Isn't that weird?" Landfish7 12:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Isn't everything there speculative? Can you prove that Overqwil is a pufferfish? I'm not saying that literally every detail needs to be explained, but I'd like to cover all inspirations that make up a design. What is Overqwil? It's a pufferfish + naval mine + Q (neither of these themes contain another, and I don't see anything else that isn't covered by those themes). What is Krabby? It's a crab. Rocket Grunt 13:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I hear you and I don't disagree, though I still don't think there's much to say about the letter other than it is there. Like, I also wouldn't argue that a heart symbol or lightning symbol in a Pokémon's design needs to be explained in the Origin section, unless it was being mentioned as part of its overall design theming. I don't think Qwilfish and Overqwil have an overall "q/Q" theme to their design. It's just a detail. Landfish7 13:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

It's a meaningful detail, like 大 in Pyroar's design. I really don't understand such strong opposition to one or two simple sentences. This could be written as: "The symbol on its tail resembles the letter 'Q', similar to how its pre-evolved form has a symbol that looks like a lowercase 'q'. Both likely allude to Qwilfish's English name, and the symbol visually resembles both Pokémon, as it's a circle with a spike." Rocket Grunt 14:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it is a meaningful detail, but it doesn't seem to fit as an origin point. It fits better in the biology section, where you can say "this mark on its tail resembles the letter 'Q', likely alluding to its English name." → SuperPikaPool13 14:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)