Talk:Noibat (Pokémon)

I was going to say that Noibat was the only Pokémon based off of a bat that does not require high friendship to reach its final form in the trivia section, but then I remembered Gligar. I was wondering if I should 1, say "Noibat and Gligar are the only Pokémon based off of bats that do not require high friendship to reach their final forms", 2, say "Noibat is the only Pokémon without "bat" in its name that does not require high friendship to reach its final form", 3, say something other than that, or 4, not say anything. Mangaman13 (talk) 18:27, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Gligar is a scorpion, I believe. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 18:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably better not to say anything in my opinion, since Gligar appears to be based on both scorpions and bats, and multiple things cannot be the "only" thing (if there are more than one, it's not unique). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I should go to the pages where it says "They are all known as the bat Pokémon" and put "they also all require high friendship levels to reach their final forms". Mangaman13 (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Three Pokémon requiring friendship to evolve doesn't make it notable or unique.--ForceFire 02:02, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request

Under the trivia there is a note saying: "Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type." Underneath this is another note saying "Additionally, they are the only Dragon/Flying type to have Flying as their primary type."

The second part is completely redundant. --HoennMaster 04:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Seconded. If anything is necessary, I feel like "By extension" would fit better than "Additionally". —Tarix3245 (talk) 05:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

What about dragonite? Isn't he flying/dragon type?. —WewLad (talk) 05:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Dragonite is Dragon/Flying. Dragon is its primary type. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 23:07, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Redundant how? They are the only Dragon/Flying type (out of five) with Flying as their primary type. Skorupi basically has the same trivia--ForceFire 04:16, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Just because "They are the only Dragon/Flying type with Flying as their primary type" is true, that does not at all mean it's not a redundant statement to make... This is practically the definition of redundancy. "The only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type" already covers "the only Dragon/Flying type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type"; the latter doesn't need saying, it's redundant.

That may be completely separate from whether you think it should still be stated out, though; if, for some reason, you think Dragon/Flying is wholly special enough to deserve that. Personally, that just doesn't square with me. I think it just comes off as inane. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The first point solely covers the fact that it is the only dual Flying-type with Flying as its primary type. The second point covers the fact that it is the only Dragon/Flying type (out of 5 families) with flying as its primary type. The first point is not the same trivia the second point is saying.

It' not about whether Dragon/Flying is special, it's about the fact that Noibat/Noivern are the only ones out of five with Flying as their primary type. The Skorupi trivia point is the same thing, Bug/Poison isn't all too special, but Skorupi is the only one (out of many) with Poison as its primary type.--ForceFire 06:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The first point doesn't "solely" cover dual Flying-types, not like you think you mean. Dragon/Flying is a dual Flying type. To be pedantic, the first point says: "They're the only [Normal/Flying type and the only Fighting/Flying type and the only Poison/Flying type and [...] the only Dragon/Flying type and the only Dark/Flying type and the only Fairy/Flying type] that has Flying as its primary type". Yes, the points aren't the "same", but that wasn't the issue; "redundant" does not mean "the same", it means it doesn't need saying.

As an analogy, consider Deoxys. The statement "The Speed Forme of Deoxys has the highest Speed base stat of any Pokémon." is true. So is "The Speed Forme of Deoxys has the highest Speed base stat of any Legendary Pokémon.", and this point is not "the same" as the first. But if it were added to Deoxys's trivia, you know someone would remove it in a heartbeat because it's not necessary: it's redundant, it doesn't need saying.

(I leave open the possibility that Dragon/Flying is still special; I just don't believe it myself.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:38, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The first point covers all possible combinations, not just its type. While the second trivia focuses on its type alone and points out that out of all the Dragon/Flying types, it is the only one with Flying as its primary type, you can't convey that with the first trivia point since it doesn't focus on just its type.

The Deoxys statement would indeed redundant because Legendary Pokémon is already covered by "of any Pokémon". Dragon/Flying is covered by the "all dual type", yes, but it doesn't focus on the fact that it is the only one with that specific combination with flying as its primary type. Not sure who's saying that Dragon/Flying is special, it isn't. Just like Bug/Poison isn't special.--ForceFire 07:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

What you're saying is exactly what I mean by "special": just the first point isn't enough, for some (special) reason Dragon/Flying deserves some prominence, needs to be "focused on". The analogy you're trying to draw to Skorupi's Bug/Poison trivia is apparently your special reason. I'll still stick to my position that it's simply redundant, but that's a rationale I sort of understand enough to let it go. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:59, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Dragon/Flying needs to be focused on because of the five families that are Dragon/Flying, Noibat/vern are the only one with flying as their primary type, that is not a special reason, it's a fact. Same thing with the Skorupi trivia, of all Pokémon that are Bug/Poison, Skorpui is the only one with Poison as its primary type. They're both saying the same thing and they're both stating facts.--ForceFire 08:18, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I do believe I'm understanding you, but I don't think you're understanding me fully. And really, that suits me fine for the time being. Cheers. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)