Talk:Groudon (Pokémon)

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Groudon VS. Kyogre

If a Groudon battled a Kyogre, and they were both same level, would drought or drizzle last for the rest of the battle? Zapdos 14:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe both... but is that possible? --Hey1031 14:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)♫☆

I'm not completely possitive, but I think that they'll just cancel each other out. --Theryguy512 17:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I've already had this dicussion before. The weather effect is chosen at random between the two. TESHIGIGAS 17:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I've read that it's whichever Pokémon has lower speed. I don't know where I read that, but it was somewhere. Possibly here, possibly Serebii. Zurqoxn 23:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Well that actually does sound pretty logical. --Theryguy512 23:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Lower speed? Wait that doesn't make sense, it's not the other way around? Why would some Pokémon with lower speed have their ability to work quicker?
I know I'm going off-topic now, but how can I get Pokémon sprites to my signature like you guys have? TheBlazikenMaster 23:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't see the lower speed thing. Yea, I think it will be the effect of the one with the higher speed stat. --Theryguy512 23:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Come to think of it the one with lower speed CAN make sense. Could it be possible that the first weather takes effect and then the other one replaces it? I'd love to see a YouTube video of this happening. TheBlazikenMaster 00:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I got a better idea I will MAKE a YouTube video with that happening. I will do that on Wednesday. TheBlazikenMaster 00:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm up for a battle, 1 on 1, Groudon VS (my) Kyogre. Tina281 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was whoever was sent out second, their Ability will take effect... ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Except for the fact that they're both sent out at the same time. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links01:58 4 Jun 2008
But the games don't actually show them being sent out at exactly the same time... ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
When its groudons turn, drought is in effect and vice versa (MathijsP 16:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
If that's the case, then Kyogre should win the battle seeing that it has the type advantage that is increased by its Drizzle Ability. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had experience with this since me and my friend battle our groudon and kyogre respectivly, the pokemon who is sent out second will have it's ability active since it overrides the first one's ability, speed has nothing to do with it and no game has changed that not even battle revolution. so technically it's random since the the first one out almost always changes each battle. - Geomexis 13:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

What really happens is that Drought and Drizzle really do activate in Speed order, if both Groudon and Kyogre are sent out first. The faster Pokémon's ability activates, then the slower one's activates. If both Groudon and Kyogre are switched in at the same time, then the Pokémon that actually comes out of the Poké Ball first activates its ability first, then the other one's activates afterward. That situation depends on who selects to switch Pokémon out first/last. This also applies to Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow. Ranko Hoshino 02:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Fake Groudons

Perhaps it could be an interesting trivia how Groudon copies and illusions have appeared lots: That thing in the Jirachi movie, Mismagius' illusion and Uxie's illusion in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2

exactly, I forgot about the Mismagius thing but it is definatley trivia worth UltamateCharizard 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was watching Jirachi: The Wishmaker the other day, and i think the movie provides useful insight into how the real Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were created. The movie reveals that at least two things are necessary to create one of the Weather Trio: a special mineral of which their bodies consist, and a special marking. Whoever created each of them, let's say Arceus, drew markings into the ground using the aforementioned mineral, and like a spell, a being arose with the abilities of said markings. The reason that Butler's plan didn't work was because the marking for Groudon wasn't finished since Jirachi was taken out of the machine. The result was a monster that was kind of like Groudon, but had watery tendrils, and absorbed all the life it could reach into its body. (I call it 'Grougre' since it looked like Groudon, could manipulate water like Kyogre, and had the uncanny power to absorb life. At least, i think it's a good name. :P ) Anyway, that would explain why Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza all have strange, unique markings on them. Also, shouldn't an article be made about the monster Groudon?-- Webspidrman 02:56, 26 May 2010

Groudon Origins

I noticed that there is no similarity to Groudon and Godzilla. Considering it battles Kyogre and levels sootopolis, also considering its appearance, I think Godzilla should be added to its list of possible origins.--Janis 20:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

yes, it could be, and it could be compared that Groudon's Solar Beam comes out from its mouth like what Godzilla do when it uses its Atomic Breath? Palkia38 11:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

not to mention that it's shiny form is yellow, like godzilla.--Mtn otter We are the Void 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

wait what? in what godzilla anything is godzilla yellow?! i grew up on godzilla stuff and i think i'd remember his color changing from he dark green, dark blue, or dark browns that he's always been depicted as to yellow. - Geomexis 13:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Godzilla's either charcoal-grey (most movies) or dark green (Hanna-Barbera cartoon, 2000, vs. Megaguirus). Either way, not yellow. Goldenpelt 09:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Something else about the name origin?

Perhaps the "don" in "Groudon" stands for the Japanese ドンッ (don) which is an onomatopoeia for a crash? (Considering that Groudon can create earthquakes by slamming its feet onto the ground, they would make the "don" sound) Just wondering. Ztobor 04:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

HG/SS Japanese Text

I notice that the Japanese text here is not translated like in most/all of the other Pokémon pages. I would do this, but I don't speak japanese and I know Google translator can be very iffy when translating more than a word or two. If someone could do this, that would be great.Poisson14 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Height Trivia

Groudon in the anime IS the correct size. It's not the same HEIGHT as Arbok, as Arbok's "height" is LENGTH. Look at the two in the PokéDex for crying out loud! I would upload a comparison pic myself but I have no way of recording anything on my DSi unlike most other people. Shiramu Kuromu 19:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Type Trivia

"Groudon is the only Ground-type Legendary Pokémon, excluding Arceus holding an Earth Plate." Landlos (Pokémon) ..... I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 23:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

It obviously hadn't been updated since BW was released. If you see other things like that, there's no need to talk page it. Just remove it. Werdnae (talk) 23:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


Who added the 'Maylupa' trivia? I'm just asking because I've never heard of it before and a quick Google turned up squat. Could someone please clarify and expand this trivia? --Manga-in-a-bottle 08:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, someone must have thought "Maylupa" is a name of a deity. I took that trivia out, since it's actually just Filipino for "landlord". 神奇超龍 10:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Groudon's Draught effect in Pokémon Ruby - need confirmation

I'd like to point something that happened in my game.

I always took the time to replant a seed in the areas where I took out berries. Also, if I found an area where the soil was empty, I'd plant a berry there too.

Now, according to some NPC in the game, when a tree is grown and no one picks the berries, a berry drops on the soil and the tree starts growing again, right?

Well, after I caught Groudon, I went back through the map to check on a few things, and noticed that several soil patches were completely empty. Nothing was there.

I believe this was because I didn't rush to catch Groudon... I just went around, leveled up, and did other stuff. Could this be the effect of Draught over the world map?

I just need someone who has been playing this game to confirm if this is true, or if there's some other explanation for the empty soil patches (there were many, in several routes, not just one).

Also, if there are other effects like a constant low tide in shoal islands (I thought about this one only after I saw the patches, so I already had Groudon caught)

If it's true, then it would make sense to think that Kyogre's rain, over a long period of time, may have an effect as well (perhaps increased berry growth? constant high tide?)

Any input from anyone who has Ruby, Sapphire or even Emerald is appreciated, thanks. - unsigned comment from Raven-14 (talkcontribs)

How long did you leave it before going back to check? They will only replant themselves a certain number of times. Werdnae (talk) 08:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I was regularly going back to collect berries, now that I had Fly available (for use in Pokeblocks and also use them instead of Antidotes and Full Heals because it saves money), so no more than 2 days of real time and around 6 to 8 hours of game time. I was leveling in that time and then caught Groudon. After that, when I made my runs through the several routes to gather the berries, some were completely gone, others were still there.
Raven-14 10:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


arent groundon and kyogre the only 2 non bw legendaries that haven't had a major movie role--Ash0011 13:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Cresselia, Ho-Oh and Lake guardians had no role as well, as far as I remember. Heatran, Raikou had only minor roles... --ЫъГЬ 15:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
forgot about those, but Raikou was in the new movie--Ash0011 18:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


Is it possible Groudon is based on a male 'red phase' ruffed grouse? - unsigned comment from Kenshiyo (talkcontribs)

I looked it up, and they honestly don't seem to have much in common at all besides having Grou- in their names. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 22:46, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire

Shouldn't we add Groudon and Kyogre's 3DS box art appearance to their page ?--Wolfy Harfleur 76700 (talk) 12:46, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Not until we know what exactly they are (Megas, new forms, etc.).--Den Zen 12:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Today, Serebii and the Pokemon official site revealed that those are the "Primal" forms of Groudon and Kyogre. (Not to be confused with Primal Dialga of course.) According to the recent trailer I saw, these two legendaries' Primal "transformation" function similarly to Mega Evolution. However, there has yet to be more background information on Primal "transformation" and the possibility of Rayquaza's Primal form. The Seeker (talk) 17:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Cannot Edit Article

I recognize that this is likely due to an effort to prevent speculatory hype for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, but this is disappointing. I was going to modify some text to correct some errors on the page.

For example, this is a segment of the current text in the introduction:

Groudon possesses the ability to expand continents. In ancient times it came in conflict with Kyogre, a Pokémon with the ability to expand the oceans. In Pokémon Ruby and Emerald Versions, Groudon is sought after by Team Magma as a major part of their plot to create more habitats for land Pokémon by lowering the sea level.

I wanted to change it to this:

Groudon possesses the ability to disperse clouds and rain, and cause widespread temporary droughts. In Hoenn mythology, it is said to expand continents, which lead to a conflict in ancient times with Kyogre, a Pokémon said to have the ability to expand the oceans. In Pokémon Ruby and Emerald Versions, Groudon is sought after by Team Magma as a major part of their plot to create more habitats for land Pokémon by lowering the sea level.

Under Biology, I found a small issue.

Groudon is a massive, bipedal, dinosaur-like creature covered in red, segmented plates of thick skin that act as armor.

As 11.5 feet is hardly massive (though massive may refer to the weight), I was going to change that to this:

Groudon is a large, bipedal, dinosaur-like creature covered in red, segmented plates of thick skin that act as armor.

I was also going to make similar changes to the Kyogre page, but they are both locked from editing so...

Be warned that the Rayquaza page is not locked.

--Mackinz of X (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Is a Primal description possible first?

I mentioned this back on Kyogre's talk page as well. Even though we are all foggy on the details of Groudon's Primal form, could someone be able to describe the visual details of it in the Biology section of the article? The Seeker (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Primal Groudon's ability

Within the type effectiveness chart for Primal Groudon, there should be something similar to what's written for Levitate; where if Desolate Land is overwritten by Primordial Sea or Delta Stream, then Primal Groudon would become 4x weak to Water-type moves. Superjustinbros. (talk) 00:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I tried to come up with a way to write it on the page, but it's all in codes and I don't want to mess up the page. Somebody has to do this because this is clearly a problem. Geographik0903 (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)