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Whoever put that comment about it being pushed back due to the one hour specials, need I remind you about the error filled scan this came from? Who's to say this isn't an error too? =/ You know you people and this scan are really starting to annoy me. --Ricco 02:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a difference between poor spelling/odd romanisations and actual details. The only error in the info was "before Celestic" and this is so close that it being pushed back is a logical conclusion. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 16:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
That may not have been the reason, though. Another scan just like this said that Ash loses to Crasher Wake when it was shown to be the complete opposite. You're telling me that they decided to change that fact before the gym battle? Sorry, I don't buy that at all. --Ricco 17:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Nowhere on the K-Zone scans do they say that Ash loses to Wake. They call it the "Lava Badge" but they state that he wins it on both articles. Again, changing the order of far-off episodes is extremely plausable and more likely than they somehow making a mistake despite being accurate on every other detail including that Aaron would appear around this point at all. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 18:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
You're saying that they pushed it back INTENTIONALLY, so they can fit the hour specials in. This never came from the writers, but from some scan who I don't even know how they found out about this episode, and you're telling me that this scan proves that they pushed it back?
Sorry, but I don't see how that's plausable AT ALL. Not to mention that you're the only one who sees this, as far as I'm concerned. >_> --Ricco 20:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Episodes get moved around before things are set in stone all the time. If they were told it would come before Celestic and then it aired after the fact, then clearly it was moved back a little. That is common sense and anyone who still doubts the scan at this point is frankly a moron. They said Aaron would appear... and he is! --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 16:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not denying anything. All I'm saying is that I find it stupid that we base a thought from an error filled scan, and for all we know, that could be an error, too. Just as you have a reason to say that this is the case, I have a reason to say that this isn't.
You know what, I don't want to argue anymore. I say we just leave the trivia as is, since I don't see any of the other episodes with this altered. --Ricco 02:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
How K-Zone got "Lava Badge" is still baffling. There's no Fire-type gym in Sinnoh (the only countries with Fire-type gyms are Kanto and Hoenn), and I don't think anyone would believe "Lava Badge" for a Water-type gym. --Shiningpikablu252 18:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
It is not any mystery. They mistaken the words フェン Fen with フエン Fuen, where the latter means lava (it is even used in Lavaridge Town's name). That's so simple. --Maxim 07:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
That'd be a good thing to put in the K-Zone page. TTEchidna 04:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


Well, both Ash's Butterfree and the pink one make a guest appearance in a flashback... but... well.

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Yeah. Neither had black wingspots. There goes the gender differences proof... TTEchidna 06:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Well they can't up and change what was already written in history. Unless you were being sarcastic. --ケンジガール 07:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
What about "The Thief Who Keeps ON Thieving"? That one flashback showed Ash's Caterpie with a green mouth.--Pokencyclopedia 11:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
It's possible they reanimiated the Caterpie flashback, but used the original footage for the Butterfree one. Also keep in mind that the pink Butterfree was around long before gender differences came into factor, and Pokémon that were in a certain state of evolution prior to Generation IV don't necessarily have their gender differences reflected (just look at Dawn's Ambipom, a confirmed female originally caught by Ash prior to Generation IV, both before and after evolution if you want proof). ****, if Ash's Bayleef were to return and evolve, it'll probably have the shorter antennae, but if Misty's Gyarados were to return, its whiskers would still be blue whether or not it's male or female...--Shiningpikablu252 15:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I saw the screenshot of the flashback, and believe me, we only didn't see the spot because it was at an angle where we can't even see it. Besides, the lighting was on it in such a way that it would be virtually impossible to tell. I mean, In "Cooler's Revenge", for example, in the scene where Cooler was charging up his Supernova attack, he was completely white in that scene. Weedle Mchairybug 12:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


Buizel was seen in a flashback, but shouldn't we list it as Dawn's since it was hers at the time of the Lucian episode?

----HoennMaster 20:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


"This marks the first time that Team Rocket has successfully captured a Pokémon, in this case multiple Pokémon, belonging to a member of the Elite Four. "

Um....what? Based on the episode and how they do that, Wrong. There are many examples of Team Rocket "capturing" Pokemon. Remember Dawn's Swinub's debut? I don't even know what this is. First Time, more like the millionth time. --Dman dustin 04:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, I hate confusing sentences so never mind, it meant the Elite Four. --Dman dustin 04:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Is the event of Ash's Butterfree making a cameo really a major event? Torngentleman2 18:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Ah, good. It's been removed. Torngentleman2 17:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)