Category talk:Pokémon that learn HM moves by level-up

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Removal of this page.

I'm thinking maybe it's time to remove this page. The title is very vague and not to mention moves can and have stopped being HMs just to become HM again in a future generation. (Dive is the perfect example of this.)

And waterfall wasn't a HM move the generation it was introduced.

Yes, I am also the person who made this category in the first place. But I regret it as I didn't take anything into consideration.

So I think it's best to get rid of this category as it's very vague. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 17:15, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


I'm semi-opposed. I feel like it should be converted to a list of Pokémon that learn Field Moves by level up, as that's quite a bit more helpful, in my opinion. To count, it would need to learn it in a generation that it's a field move. So, in other words, if it just learns Defog by level up in Gen V, that doesn't count. --Wynd Fox 09:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Even then Rayquaza and Salamence are literally the ONLY Pokémon that qualify, as waterfall wasn't a HM in the generation the move was introduced.
If there are only two Pokémon that qualify, making a category is pretty pointless.
I will get all the Pokémon out of this category if it gets removed. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 01:48, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't matter that Waterfall wasn't an HM when it was introduced; Goldeen and Seaking still learn it in generations in which it is a field move, so it would still count for WyndFox's suggested change. By my rough count based on the moves listed on the field move (core series) page, expanding it to field moves would add about 100 Pokémon to the category (minus overlaps, if there are any). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
If by field move you mean ANY move that can be used outside battle, I think a list of Pokémon with access to them will become overcrowded.
I mean there are plenty of Pokémon that can learn dig, the same applies to sweet scent, teleport and I could go on and on. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
That is what I meant, yes. I don't think overcrowding is really an issue. --Wynd Fox 21:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually it is an issue when almost every Pokémon can learn a field move. The only Pokémon who can't learn one are Pokémon that can't learn TM, HMs, egg moves and move tutor moves. And that's it.
I don't see how a list like this wouldn't create another problem. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
You're overexaggerating to an extreme degree. As I said above, only about 100 Pokemon can learn a field move by level up. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry I was thinking about Pokémon who can learn field moves overall. I didn't think about the ones that learn them by level up.
Well, I say go for it. It would fit better as a list than a category. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I like the idea of a category for Pokémon that learn field moves by level up. --SnorlaxMonster 03:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree, that category would be a lot more useful. I say go for it. Make that category. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Agreed. If a slight change to a category can make it go from holding four pages to over a hundred, it makes sense to do it. I would also say, that if this is done, then there should maybe be a category for Pokémon that learn field moves by breeding, provided it wouldn't be too large. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 13:43, 4/8/2014 (UTC)