Talk:Pokédex entry recycling

About merging

At the moment, there is a request to merge the page "Pokédex entry recycling" into "Pokédex entry". Basically, I suppose the idea would be using just the page "Pokédex entry" while keeping the content about entry recycling as a long section on that page.

However, I would suggest maybe keeping them as separate pages because of their page sizes:

• "Pokédex entry" is over 25k and has small sections about several entry-related subjects like description, forms, cry, area, origin, footprint, height, weight, map, etc.
• "Pokédex entry recycling" is nearly 14k, more than half the size of the previous one.

Therefore, if the page "Pokédex entry" contained all the information about Pokédex entry recycling too, then the full merged page would be around 39k, and it would mostly be about Pokédex entry recycling in comparison with the other smaller sections on the page.

We also have separately the page "Foreign Pokédex entry", whose size is 20k. I think it is interesting that "Pokédex entry recycling" has been suggested to be merged with "Pokédex entry" but the page "Foreign Pokédex entry" was not suggested to be merged with them so far. If we decided to merge all three pages, it would be around 59k and the bulk of the content would be about entry recycling and foreign entries, but in my opinion it's OK to keep "Pokédex entry", "Pokédex entry recycling", and "Foreign Pokédex entry" as three separate pages. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah keeping them separate makes the most sense to me. Landfish7 14:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from the page history, the page was initially suggested to be moved to "Pokédex entry", but when the Pokedex entry page was split-off from the original "Pokedex" page, it was changed to merge instead. However, there was no reasoning given behind the original move request. I agree that the pages being separate makes the most sense. (Additionally, I also want to suggest making the purposes of these pages more clearer when interlinking on each of those articles, rather than just being a bullet point in the "see also" section.)→ PikaTepig999 17:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Voice of dissent here. This page has a merge notice because it had a move notice before, and it had that move notice because of this split for the main Pokedex page calling for such. (Of my creation, though I didn't put the move or merge templates here.) And I stand by it. Lets think about this: we have

• One fairly long game section
• A couple of spin off game paragraphs
• One literally empty anime section, which in practice probably just wants to be incorporated into the main page with indicative examples. Someone could index every single episode a Pokédex entry is reused, and it would certainly be a long list. But as far as I'm aware, things get split based on text that exists, not text that doesn't. (Notably, the Pokedex Entry page doesn't have an anime section yet, so the single sentence on the recycling page is kind of putting our carts before our Mudsdale)
• One literally empty manga section. Of which the same issue of not having a manga section on the primary page applies.
• One TCG section which is "a list of things that don't count". Which should be a red flag. It fits better as information of how Pokedex entries are used. "In most cases, the text seen in this field is taken from a core series Pokémon game released prior to the set. In earlier sets, the text was sometimes paraphrased from the original description. Later sets use the text with no changes... " Followed by a loose list of set:game correlations. And then the list of the original to the TCG entries.

I don't see the purpose of the two actual sections and then the rest of these non-sections. In practice, this should just be a core series page with the remaining stuff bumped to the Pokedex entry page or Pokedex for that game. Salmancer (talk) 00:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I would still suggest keeping "Pokédex entry" and "Pokédex entry recycling" as separate articles. In any case, the "Pokédex entry" article already explains that entry recycling exists while linking to the "Pokédex entry recycling" article for details.

In my opinion, the page "Pokédex entry recycling" is clearly meant to explain when entry recycling happens and when it does not happen as well. The page might as well be named "Introduction and recycling of Pokédex entries".

I see you described the TCG section as a "a list of things that don't count". However, the TCG section notes that the Japanese cards with the entry recycled from Red/Green had the different entry from Red/Blue instead when translated to English, which is specifically about entry recyling and how it works between different languages.

Yes, it is true that the TCG section also notes that several cards have original TCG-exclusive entries (and therefore those entries are not recycled). However, if we had the strict rule that non-recycled Pokédex entries must never be mentioned on this article, then we would need to delete much information from core series section too. Several games such as Gold/Silver/Crystal or Sun/Moon don't have any recycled entries, which is a fact stated on this article. Several games such as Emerald, Platinum, and X/Y have some recycled entries and some non-recycled entries, which is stated on this article as well. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)