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Add something in the trivia section: Melmetal and its {{p|Meltan|pre-evolution}} are the only [[Mythical Pokémon]] that are part of an evolutionary line. [[User:Wrrasba|Wrrasba]] ([[User talk:Wrrasba|talk]]) 15:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Add something in the trivia section: Melmetal and its {{p|Meltan|pre-evolution}} are the only [[Mythical Pokémon]] that are part of an evolutionary line. [[User:Wrrasba|Wrrasba]] ([[User talk:Wrrasba|talk]]) 15:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
: Despite being disputed; there is Manaphy and Phione too so I do not think that should be added at this time. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 13:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
:: I'd argue that Manaphy and Phione aren't in an evolution line. They are related by breeding, but neither Meltan nor Melmetal can be bred, and Phione does not evolve into Manaphy. If you're being technical, Manaphy and Phione are related by breeding and Meltan and Melmetal are related by evolution. [[User:MarioMiner|MarioMiner]] ([[User talk:MarioMiner|talk]]) 20:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


== Evolution Method? ==
== Evolution Method? ==
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It is mentioned in The Two Professors videos that when a group of {{p|Meltan|pre-evolution}} come together, they can form Melmetal. Can that be mentioned as an evolution method? --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] ([[User talk:Pokemon26|talk]]) 16:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
It is mentioned in The Two Professors videos that when a group of {{p|Meltan|pre-evolution}} come together, they can form Melmetal. Can that be mentioned as an evolution method? --[[User:Pokemon26|Pokemon26]] ([[User talk:Pokemon26|talk]]) 16:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
:No because it doesn't mention how they evolve in game. It's like with Magnemite. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
:No because it doesn't mention how they evolve in game. It's like with Magnemite. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
::Or Beldum. [[User:JaxomNC|JaxomNC]] ([[User talk:JaxomNC|talk]]) 22:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
== Mythical Pokémon Distinction ==
Would Melmetal and Meltan count along side Magearna as the only Mythical Pokémon that can be obtained indefinitely through events not limited? As they Mythical Pokemon can be obtained at any time and not a limited time event like the other Mythical Pokemon and the special case with Deoxys for example. I just noticed that today.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 03:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:There's others too, like Celebi from VC Crystal, Jirachi from the colosseum bonus disk/Channel, Mew from Ranch, Manaphy from Ranger (kinda)(and then of course there's Phione...) To get multiple of Meltan you need a side game so it's more like Manaphy/Mew/Jirachi, and not comparable to Deoxys/Celebi/Magearna. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn&#39;t stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
== Introduced in Let's Go or Go? ==
Given that this will only be available through Go, is it correct to say it was introduced in Let's Go when the first game obtainable will be Go?[[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn&#39;t stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:If you're considering Main-Series games, then stick with Let's Go. '''Ice''' [[User talk:The IceCream|Cream]] 09:15, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
== but abilities don't exist in the games melmetal is available ==
so how can it have an ability? [[User:Pikachu210|Pikachu210]] ([[User talk:Pikachu210|talk]]) 02:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:Abilities are still coded into the Let's Go games even if they aren't actually used. When they first started looking into the coding for those games, Meltan and Melmetal's Abilities were pretty much the first thing they discovered, if memory serves. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 02:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
=="Used to create unique metal tools"==
Is there a source for this line? I can't find a mention of this usage specifically. [[User:UnethicalVoxel|UnethicalVoxel]] ([[User talk:UnethicalVoxel|talk]]) 19:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
== Cerulean Cave ==
As demonstrated in some Youtube videos, In Let's Go PE, Melmetal and less noticably, Meltan, change to a gold color while next to the crystals in Cerulean Cave. I think this would be worth mentioning on the page, but I'm unsure if it would go in Trivia or if it fits under Biology. Any thoughts? [[User:WOLKsite|WOLKsite]] ([[User talk:WOLKsite|talk]]) 21:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if this is notable for Meltan and Melmetal specifically. The lighting in that area is a bit odd, there are several species that look discolored when they're nearby crystals in the cave, some to the point that people have mistaken normal wild encounters for shiny Pokémon. A note about the lighting conditions acting strangely near the crystals and causing discoloration for overworld Pokémon might be better trivia for the Cerulean Cave page? The effect doesn't seem limited to just Meltan/Melmetal. [[User:Atrius97|Atrius97]] ([[User talk:Atrius97|talk]]) 22:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
::I suppose it needs to more research? I don't think it's just lighting, because it's a fairily sudden shift when they're pretty much touching the crystals. [[User:WOLKsite|WOLKsite]] ([[User talk:WOLKsite|talk]]) 17:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
== Move Thunder Punch Trivia to Learnset ==
One of the trivia points here, and on a couple of other articles, is, "Melmetal is coded to learn the move Thunder Punch upon evolving. However, this is impossible due to Meltan being unable to evolve in the core series games.". However, this page does list the "on Evolution Thunder Punch" in the move table. In this case, shouldn't the line be with the move tables, relieving some of the stress on Melmetal's Trivia section and putting the info in a more relevant location? (The same applies to the Thunder Punch article, but I have to pick a location.) [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 16:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
:Not sure if this is particularly helpful, but I'm fine with either (or both).
:Should Meltan be able to evolve in the next core series game (and retain the evolution move), we have similar cases like {{p|Dragonite}}, where we list it in both the learnset page, and the main species page trivia (and I think that's best). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 19:16, 19 February 2024

Image

Should we use a temporary screenshot of Melmetal since we don't have its actual artwork? I think it wold be better than no image at all. Ice Cream 15:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Never Mind Ice Cream 18:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Something to add

Add something in the trivia section: Melmetal and its pre-evolution are the only Mythical Pokémon that are part of an evolutionary line. Wrrasba (talk) 15:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Despite being disputed; there is Manaphy and Phione too so I do not think that should be added at this time. Frozen Fennec 13:27, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I'd argue that Manaphy and Phione aren't in an evolution line. They are related by breeding, but neither Meltan nor Melmetal can be bred, and Phione does not evolve into Manaphy. If you're being technical, Manaphy and Phione are related by breeding and Meltan and Melmetal are related by evolution. MarioMiner (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Evolution Method?

It is mentioned in The Two Professors videos that when a group of pre-evolution come together, they can form Melmetal. Can that be mentioned as an evolution method? --Pokemon26 (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

No because it doesn't mention how they evolve in game. It's like with Magnemite. Ice Cream 18:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Or Beldum. JaxomNC (talk) 22:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Mythical Pokémon Distinction

Would Melmetal and Meltan count along side Magearna as the only Mythical Pokémon that can be obtained indefinitely through events not limited? As they Mythical Pokemon can be obtained at any time and not a limited time event like the other Mythical Pokemon and the special case with Deoxys for example. I just noticed that today.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

There's others too, like Celebi from VC Crystal, Jirachi from the colosseum bonus disk/Channel, Mew from Ranch, Manaphy from Ranger (kinda)(and then of course there's Phione...) To get multiple of Meltan you need a side game so it's more like Manaphy/Mew/Jirachi, and not comparable to Deoxys/Celebi/Magearna. JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything (talk) 09:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Introduced in Let's Go or Go?

Given that this will only be available through Go, is it correct to say it was introduced in Let's Go when the first game obtainable will be Go?JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything (talk) 09:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

If you're considering Main-Series games, then stick with Let's Go. Ice Cream 09:15, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

but abilities don't exist in the games melmetal is available

so how can it have an ability? Pikachu210 (talk) 02:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Abilities are still coded into the Let's Go games even if they aren't actually used. When they first started looking into the coding for those games, Meltan and Melmetal's Abilities were pretty much the first thing they discovered, if memory serves. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 02:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

"Used to create unique metal tools"

Is there a source for this line? I can't find a mention of this usage specifically. UnethicalVoxel (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Cerulean Cave

As demonstrated in some Youtube videos, In Let's Go PE, Melmetal and less noticably, Meltan, change to a gold color while next to the crystals in Cerulean Cave. I think this would be worth mentioning on the page, but I'm unsure if it would go in Trivia or if it fits under Biology. Any thoughts? WOLKsite (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is notable for Meltan and Melmetal specifically. The lighting in that area is a bit odd, there are several species that look discolored when they're nearby crystals in the cave, some to the point that people have mistaken normal wild encounters for shiny Pokémon. A note about the lighting conditions acting strangely near the crystals and causing discoloration for overworld Pokémon might be better trivia for the Cerulean Cave page? The effect doesn't seem limited to just Meltan/Melmetal. Atrius97 (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
I suppose it needs to more research? I don't think it's just lighting, because it's a fairily sudden shift when they're pretty much touching the crystals. WOLKsite (talk) 17:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Move Thunder Punch Trivia to Learnset

One of the trivia points here, and on a couple of other articles, is, "Melmetal is coded to learn the move Thunder Punch upon evolving. However, this is impossible due to Meltan being unable to evolve in the core series games.". However, this page does list the "on Evolution Thunder Punch" in the move table. In this case, shouldn't the line be with the move tables, relieving some of the stress on Melmetal's Trivia section and putting the info in a more relevant location? (The same applies to the Thunder Punch article, but I have to pick a location.) Salmancer (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if this is particularly helpful, but I'm fine with either (or both).
Should Meltan be able to evolve in the next core series game (and retain the evolution move), we have similar cases like Dragonite, where we list it in both the learnset page, and the main species page trivia (and I think that's best). Nescientist (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)