Talk:Unova

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Interwiki link

Please add de:Isshu-chihō to the interwiki list.--Afrael ^talk 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —darklordtrom 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Region Image

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--Jimmyduckegg 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. Reign 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

There's a larger version of the map out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? Vienna Waltz 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Please add...

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) (Yaminokame 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

Is this confermed? If so, where?

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Right here, on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

New location

There's something on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — Axxonn_{theAwesometrainer} 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--KurowaSan 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. Mudkipchan 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not a region, so no. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. Mudkipchan 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all main regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. TTEchidna 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Does Almia not count? It's a region. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Grk, strike that. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --ケンジのガール 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----Zewis (29) 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

New York?

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. CuboneKing 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be everywhere by now. Reign 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? - unsigned comment from DialgaMaster105 (talk • contribs)

We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... CuboneKing 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[1] - unsigned comment from C.Rad(-0-) (talk • contribs)

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. - unsigned comment from Mismagius13 (talk • contribs)

No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--Pokélova! 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.LucarioWolf 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Sky Arrow Bridge

why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like: [2] Badwolf1234 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. TTEchidna 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Team Phantom

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --Squishy 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

And where is this informatino from?--MisterE13 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. TTEchidna 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. 67h5r6h 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... (Ataro 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

Hiun City

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. Pokemonemerfan1954 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. 梅子^❀_✿ 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.Toback 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Let's confirm an original source.

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

Sawamular101 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. Aura-Knight 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely. It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. Sawamular101 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. Mudkipchan 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro. http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. Sawamular101 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. Mudkipchan 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.Sawamular101 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ 梅子^❀_✿ 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes.Sawamular101 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. Sawamular101 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？

メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz 梅子^❀_✿ 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not testing him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. 梅子^❀_✿ 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。Sawamular101 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！

To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is assumed to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. 梅子^❀_✿ 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.Sawamular101 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like this screenshot might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. 梅子^❀_✿ 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). Sawamular101 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 Sawamular101 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a Warrning

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan. I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. (Kmanecke 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))

Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫ティナ^♫★ 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Trivia.

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --S2daam 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Routes

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? Pokemonemerfan1954 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Black City/ White Forest

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? 67h5r6h 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --Psy_ライダー☮ 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

TA. DA. —darklordtrom 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Add image

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 (a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png). --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. --ZestyCactus 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ Jello 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Another warning for the mods.

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

How is there evena connection between them? --HoennMaster 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --Midnight Blue 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

A "warning for the mods"? or a "warning from the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--ForceFire 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

A warning for the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --ForceFire 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --SnorlaxMonster 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

New City revealed

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--Toback 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Got a new map image

File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --Sotomura 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

That file has been deleted as it's the same as a:File:Isshu.jpg —darklordtrom 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It's New York

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --The Great Butler 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. Ataro 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Isshu! TTEchidna 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. Sawamular101 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --The Great Butler 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/

It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. Sawamular101 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. Sawamular101 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

So it's true after all? Ataro 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. Sawamular101 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".Sawamular101 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

[3] -Pokeant 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

New Jersey

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --HoennMaster 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Just throwing this out there

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "Motif". --Mackinz of SoulSilver 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?

2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.

3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.

In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

mod·el

n.

1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.

2.

a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.

b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.

3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.

4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.

5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.

6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.

7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.

8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

mo·tif (m-tf)

n.

1.

a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.

b. A dominant theme or central idea.

2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.

3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

Now,

1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.

2. Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.

Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.

Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.

Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. I dare you.

3. 3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.

Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.

I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.

No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we know about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we know, they're something people assume. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's Motif. No one has released Isshu's Model.

There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.

Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak really changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —darklordtrom 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when word of god states that New York is Isshu's Motif? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The supervisor's remark seems to classify "Motif" and "Stage".

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177

イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。

(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15

九州を舞台にしたんです。

(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage. Sawamular101 13:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)