Talk:Suicune (Pokémon)
Name
I argue that the "kun" in Suikun is in fact the kanji for "river." It's ON-reading is also "kun." - unsigned comment from ANinyMouse (talk • contribs)
- Gaa, the etymology they gave makes no sense at all. That said, the two major words for river, 川 and 河, do not have kun as a possible reading:
- 川
- sen
- kawa
- ka (name-reading)
- ko (name-reading)
- sawa (name-reading)
- 河
- ka
- kawa
- kaQ (name-reading)
- ko (name-reading)
- kō (name-reading)
- 川
- That said... there may be rarer readings not in the dictionary, and less common words for river. I note a very similar looking character is in fact read kun, 訓 -- instruction. - 振霖T 08:19, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Page
Why is this at "Suicune (Pokémon)"? Isn't it established that this is a Pokemon? WhisperToMe 19:46, 14 January 2006 (CST)
- Have you, perchance, not seen Bulbasaur (Pokémon) or Ivysaur (Pokémon) and so-on? This is the way things are done here. Get used to it. - 振霖T 22:01, 14 January 2006 (CST)
Template
Shouldn't this be listed in the Legendary Pokémon template as a Version mascot, as well as a member of a Legendary trio? I realize it may seem odd to have it listed twice in the table, but it seems just as odd not to be consistent and list it under Version mascots, since it is one, after all. Dansiman 10:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Trivia?
I don't understand the trivia... it says shiny has a blue head piece in crystal? but I see it's brownish purple. maybe it is the normal coloration, not the shiny. - unsigned comment from Hfc2x (talk • contribs)
- No, it says that it has a purple headpeice in Gold and Silver. It was CHANGED in Crystal. --Theryguy512 21:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Individual Values?
My brother has been playing LeafGreen for a while and he saved the game just BEFORE handling the sapphire to Celio (so Suicune's Nature and IVs can be random). He has caught Suicune many times now and it has different natures BUT its IVs are always 0, and they're always the same. Anyone can explain why does this happen? Or Suicune's IVs will always be 0? hfc2X 17:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why you're asking us if your brother tested it and it's always been 0. If you don't believe it's always 0, you should have kept at it until it turned up otherwise. That's how information is found out, people are constantly doing things over and over to make sure they know everything about the situation. --Lustre 07:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Picture?
Is there a reason for using the ranger artwork? I don't have a problem with it but I just think that the pictures for the pokédex entrys should all be by Ken Sugimori, save for arceus for obvious reasons.Rucario64 00:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
- Somehow it was decided (I think?) that Bulbapedia should use the most recent artwork for monsters. Eh. See Talk:Celebi (Pokémon). IIMarckus 02:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Edit request
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- |heartgolddex=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.
♥ 梅子❀✿ 17:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Finding Suicune in HGSS
Thought this should be included somewhere, since it took me a while to track down suicune in it's different locations: After it runs from Burnt Tower, it's found next to a house at the north of Cianwood (when Eusine battles you). It can then be found near the middle entrance to Mt Mortar. Then it's on the pathway (dock) leading to the SS Aqua in Viridian, and finally on route 14, before it appears on route 25 (next to Bill's house) where it can be battled and caught. --Oatzy 13:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yes... This list should be incorperated. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 10:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Done. —darklordtrom 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- Correction to Oatzy, it's Vermilion, not Viridian... --Lustre 07:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- Done. —darklordtrom 11:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, it can be found in the Burnt Tower AFTER defeating the Elite Four (according to serebii.net I dont know if this is true so it would be great if someone would confirm) --Moretacos 06:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
- That is confirmed IIRC, but only if you kill the Suicune at Route 25. —darklordtrom 07:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Name
This link says that it's Japanese translation is Suikun. Do we change what this page says? While Croagunk's says Gregru Celebi's says "Seleby" though. tc²₆tc26 12:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
WHOA
Someone just drastically edited the Origin section to say that its primary inspiration is the Qilin. Unless Game Freak said something official on the subject, there's no way something like this should go through without discussion. Some of the points the user raises are valid, but I'm not sure if the way they implemented them into the text of the article are appropriate. Any thoughts? --AndyPKMN 20:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Shiny in movie picture wrong?
"A shiny Suicune appeared alongside Celebi and the other members of its trio in the thirteenth Pokémon movie, Zoroark: Master of Illusions."
Doesn't the shiny have a blue mane? 
So, that's wrong, right? Or am I missing something? Miscs 11:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- That's not the Shiny one. It's Zoroark in disguise >_> Ataro 12:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oh right, shouldn't someone put up a picture of the shiny one? Miscs 20:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Teeth
I don't know why someone would add this statement without discussing it but Suicune does NOT have molar teeth.Bennell 13:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- 1. A Qilin has the head of a Chinese Dragon and they always have sharp teeth.
Black Panther
If you think about it, when it comes to a Leopard, Suicune may particularly be based loosely on a Black Panther. If you compare it with Liepard it would make sense.Bennell 13:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Black panthers don't have spots and Suicune isn't black or even dark. Also, the origin section already mentions its much closer relation to a leopard.--電禅Den Zen 13:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
That has been edited there with without discussion. Black Panthers do have spots, they just can't be seen well.Bennell 14:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Suicune doesn't have to be black or even dark to be a Black Panther.
- 1. Their background fur color can be also blue, gray, purple, or brown.
- 2. In cartoons, panthers have been portrayed having lighter colors than black which were mentioned above.
- I also said loosely.
Gray Wolf
I don't know why someone removed it from the origin section but Suicune is also based on a Gray Wolf due to it's doglike anatomy (including a longer face than the other Legendary Beasts') and it's association with the North Wind.Bennell 14:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Teeth
What's with all this blunt teeth nonsense?! It's teeth were never shown and it wouldn't make sense if they're blunt. They would be sharp, just like Entei's and Raikou's are.- unsigned comment from Robbie (talk • contribs)
TOO MANY origins
Ok, the origin section is getting a bit ridiculous in its description of what Suicune is based on.
First up, cheetahs: the only similarity they have with leopards is being a spotted cat, and anyone who's see both will know they are very easily distinguished.
Fujin or Kirin actually sound pretty solid on both accounts, and could possibly be a combination of the two.
But I think the worst of them is the Filipino goddess mentioned there. Other than being associated with the wind and rain, there's no real evidence there, and would be a drastic difference in design philosophy from the others in its Trio.
--KingStarscream (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I agree that the origin section ties in more creatures than is really necessary. I have, however stumbled upon another creature that may at least warrant mentioning for origin, and potentially name as well. That being the Suiko from Konjaku Gazu Zoku Hyakki captioned "Water Tiger" on the Wikipedia page. It is from artist Toriyama Sekien, whose 18th century illustrated books of Japanese folk creatures may have influenced several different Pokemon. Little information appears to be available on the Suiko (at least in English,) and I do not know anything myself beyond a Wikipedia page and a google search, but it seems very likely that there could be a connection. (Inonimus (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC))
Game Location: "Bell Tower" in Crystal
In other articles, we have kept the original name of something, even if it's since been renamed, if it is being used in relation to a game that used its original name. So, shouldn't the Game Location for Crystal be "Tin Tower" rather than "Bell Tower?" There's technically no location named "Bell Tower" in Crystal. TeridaxXD001 (talk) 08:08, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Concept and development
"When asked if Suicune was based on any particular animal, Muneo Saitō described its creation process to come together easily and fell into a motif that felt "leopard-like". This design is more clearly seen in its design from the Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld '97 demo, where its build is thinner and more cat-like. This design also features a more unshaven, dishevelled Suicune, with bangs covering the eyes and tail fur tied together by an orb."
This excerpt of the current page has a major issue. To put it bluntly, while it's known that Saito designed the final versions, there is no evidence that he also designed these early versions or made their sprites from the Spaceworld '97 demo.
Not only that, but the current text in the article also tries to use said sprites as a way to back the designer's statement up. But not only the beta versions are clearly canids, Saitō's statement implies Suicune and Raikou were only settled as leopard-like and tiger-like after or around the same time Entei's final design was well-established.
I'd appreciate some discussion on whether to rewrite this part of the article or completely remove it as it is potential misinformation.
A bit unrelated, but what even is the point of this "Concept and Development" subtopic anyway? Was mentioning the designer in Trivia and the details of the design in Origin not enough?
ExLight (talk) 11:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Muneo Saitō is the current designer of the legendary beasts, his word should probably be enough. Goyangi (talk) 13:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you understood what I'm saying.
- I'm not questioning the fact he designed the final designs of Entei/Suicune/Raikou, I'm pointing out the fact that the Spaceworld beta designs are likely not his, and the fact the current article is utilizing anachronistic arguments that go against Saitō's statement regarding the creation process.
- ExLight (talk) 14:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Editor here - I don't see any reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater by removing it completely, it's wildly inappropriate when the problem is potential miscommunication; I believe some staff edited my original trivia edit about "concept and development" on another page and I continued it from there. I think the section is perfectly reasonable to have the section when you have something lengthy and with images like Suicune; otherwise, trivia just becomes needlessly long and the bullet points become less legible. There's been increased interest in this topic since the 2018 gigaleak, let alone more recently. Regarding whether Saito designed the initial beasts, given no evidence points either way, I think it's reasonable to simply edit with "Saito designed the final revision of Suicune..." or something like that. Note that designs like these are often kept secret; even the original designers are often treated as such (see James Turner's deleted tweets). - Plague von Karma 10:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds good, I'll do a tentative edit based on the provided feedback, thanks.
- ExLight (talk) 20:10, 12 February 2025 (UTC)