Talk:Masamitsu Hidaka/Archive 1

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About Brock being racist.

Did he mean that Brock might have been viewed as a racist or racist stereotype? Because saying that Brock is a racist is different from being a racist stereotype. Frankly, Brock being a racist because of his eyes doesn't make sense to me. Saying he's might be viewed as a racist stereotype, however, makes more sense. Some may have felt that he was a negative stereotype against Asians. --ケンジガール 23:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Do we really need to put people's reactions to the interview?

I know this is not Wikipedia, but where do we draw the line concerning unsourced opinions? Do we really need to put that people considered "the statement" sexist? Heck, Dogasu even pointed out that Japanese guys say stuff like this all the time. --PsychoRobo 20:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Fanservice is fanservice. They know it, we know it. TTEchidna 01:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, and anyways, Yes, Japanese people may say these kinds of things all the time, but that does NOT make it any less sexist. Heck, by that logic, Ancient Greeks, romans, and pre-feminist era weren't sexist because all of them say that Women were weaker than men and that they are nothing more than tools to us, and are unintelligent, and that logic is just flat-out wrong. Heck, even you yourself mentioned how we are being portrayed is terrible, even if it IS the standard belief as of right now. Just because some society Believes this kind of logic doesn't automatically make it right. Weedle Mchairybug 11:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Is that how the anime portrays female characters at all? I mean, considering the difficulty in properly translating idioms, what he said was basically that generally in order for something to stay attractive, it needs to change or be replaced - and this is a basic concept that both males and females understand. I mean, how exactly is it sexist if the same applies with the gender's reversed? Wouldn't it be less sexist to admit that we have a biological disposition to view members of the opposite sex with a certain set of expectations, accept that, and not let it intrude on how you actually interract with members of the opposite sex? (Please note - this is all just devil's advocate. I don't support fanservice for the sake of it, but there are arguments to be made.)KrytenKoro 06:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I can accept Biological differences, but if they are only going to portray females as being mere "Objects" or animals, then I simply can't accept it. As for whether Anime portrays girls like this at all, considering how they had the majority of the girls in Princess vs. Princess acting like complete bimboes, how they portrayed the girls in "Love Hina", Negima, and some others, how May and Dawn are portrayed in terms of personality (whiney and vain, respectively.), How Maron, Pizza, and even Bulma to a certain extent is portrayed as in the DBZ universe (that, and Master Roshi's... Ahem... Girl mags.), Witchblade's mere existance, and several anime's portraying girls as Mere Sex Objects with a personality that's comparable to a preschooler, yes.
And it doesn't really matter, anyways. I never really cared for attractiveness (well, maybe a little, but...), I care more for the personality. And also, just so we're clear, I'm pretty sure that he DID mean what the translator said. I mean, the Translator also had to be Japanese, and had to know how to speak English fluently in order to make interactions with other branches successful. Weedle Mchairybug 11:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Aah, Weedle, so we meet again. Obviously Masamitsu Hidaka's comment was offensive, and in retrospect I do think that the "many viewed it as a sexist comment" statement should stay, but we can't single him out without having a sense of cultural relativity, and of course, hunting down every single guy that says something sexist in Japan is impractical and just wrong. And there is a difference between being able to speak a language and understanding the language. Why are electronic translators inaccurate? Because they cannot pick up the connotations of words in different languages, which vary. Heck, even synonyms in English imply different things, despite having the same literal meaning.
And once again, you bash May and Dawn despite continuously whining about everyone dissing Misty. Too bad you don't believe in double standards, because maybe then you'd understand what the hell is wrong with this picture! Your argument has no basis, least of all because you can't even spell "whiny" properly. What was Misty then, getting all aggro whenever Ash comments on her physical appearance? By the way, do you want to know who I believe the real "whiny and vain" person is? I'll post it on your Bulbagarden profile because it's too harsh for Bulbapedia, even if it is somewhat relevant. PsychoRobo 19:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, May is whiny? That's calling the kettle black. Misty was just as whiny as May was except she was a whiny know-it-all and May was a clueless whiner. Not only Misty was whiny, but violent to anyone who said something she didn't like. Do get me wrong, I like them, I'm just saying. You can't just call May whiny, Dawn vain, and Misty is the image of everything that is perfect. I admit, Tracey has his flaws too in being such a ridiculous Oak fanboy. The main problem I have with what Hidaka said is that he is planning not to make any new male characters to appeal to the female fans. I mean seriously, the Brock making an idiot out of himself every time a girl comes around is getting a little old now. It seems he only cares what the boys think, which I guess is understandable being that they are probably the ones that watch the anime more as well as them being more respected in the Japanese culture. --ケンジガール 02:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Umm, EXCUSE ME?! Maybe you didn't know this, but when I questioned a relative of Mine as to whether she thought Misty acted... ANYTHING like those girls in Princess vs. Princess (which, BTW, she utterly disliked how those girls acted), she said "no she didn't". So if you want to call ME a hypocrite, you might as well call her that, as well (not that I actually want her to be called that, but still). And also, Violent? Ha! While I personally dislike violence, at least it's better to fight back if provoked rather than cry buckets if they were provoked, unable to defend themselves. I will help them, but crying won't stop those who like to insult, since, their viewpoint is, if they are insulted and they just cry as a result, that they can't defend themselves, and thus will provoke them repeatedly.
And anyways, most of the hits she gave were mostly because of Insults directed at either her or some sort of Pokémon she cares about. And believe me, If it had been May in that Princess episode instead of Misty, I'd guess, from what I have seen of her in terms of persona, she would have acted just like those girl who squealed like animals, Heck, Dawn would probably act a bit like this as well. Heck, this same relative even agreed with me when she said that Misty was NOTHING like the girls in LH, not even Naru, which, considering the fact that, as you said, she was violent sometimes, that's saying a lot (Then again, with Misty, at least she retaliates with things that are Actual insults (aside from maybe Tentacruel related insults, for obvious reasons), whileas with Naru, she pretty much takes almost ANYTHING as an insult, even if it wasn't an actual one, so her method is more similar to Jessie than to Misty.). And anyways, it's obvious that they ALSO cater to girls in the series just AS much as guys (the Aforementioned Princess vs. Princess episode, and Pokemon contests in general, comes to mind.), so the whole "Boys watch the anime more" thing doesn't apply. Also, I really don't call how they portrayed those girls in PVP as being respectful. Heck, I also don't see how using swear words in some kids anime is considered respectful (Yes, I know Pokémon doesn't use swear words in Japan, but other animes of that genre, like Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z, for instance, have a LOT of swearing on there, in fact, more than just the D-word, A-word, or H-word. That's all for now. Weedle Mchairybug 11:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you bloody think for yourself rather than rely on your mother for all your arguments? It's irrelevant to the argument whether your mother is a hypocrite or not, and it's a cheap tactic to bring your family into the picture. And what do you mean by "actual insults"? That's a subjective term that can be applied to pretty much anything. In fact, fighting back when provoked (a.k.a. the slighest disagreement) is what causes wars.

I don't know why you even continue to edit Bulbapedia. Your posts clearly show your inability to maintain a neutral point of view or cooperate or even acknowledge other community members' opinions. Worse, you can't even argue. Instead of using facts to support a conclusion, you just stick to your conclusion and ignore anything that goes against that conclusion, and you use hypothetical infalsifiable arguments rather than real evidence. You overuse hyperbole to the point that no one can take you seriously, and worst of all, you rely on your mother to do all your arguments for you. I suggest you don't come back here until you learn how to acknowledge that other people have opinions too. PsychoRobo 17:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

About that Platinum thing.

Look, here's the deal: Masamitsu Hidaka did say it in such a way that implied that he didn't know. And it's not speculation, since, guess what? The guy who interviewed Hidaka in that interview ALSO noticed that he said it in such a way that did seem to not even know that Platinum existed.

As for your arguements about how people aren't allowed to leak info about upcoming projects being the reason why he would deny any knowledge, if his not wanting to get fired was the reason, then why is it that CoroCoro Magazine and the Shaymin movie WEREN'T shut down? I mean, considering how CoroCoro Comics Magazine was giving detailed pieces about Platinum's development (which counts as leaking information anyways.), and how the Shaymin movie not only featured TWO alternate forms for the two star Pokemon that's only available for Platinum, but they also showed a Gracidea/Glacidea flower as well as the Reverse/Ruined World (which is probably the exact same place seeing how they actually look alike.). I mean, that's leaking information, and they could have banned the Movie just to try and keep Platinum's development in secrecy.

As for it being speculation, WHO CARES?! The defense in regards to alleged sexism on his part was also speculation as well, and did you try to remove it again in the same consecutive manner that you tried to remove mine? Weedle Mchairybug 01:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I had an argument, but I really need a quote. So I can see where your coming from, because I might have a flawed opinion/argument. --Dman dustin 01:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Cause speculation is not allowed. And the sexism thing is said "Many view this as a sexist comment". We also weighed the side that the comment may not be considered sexist in Japan. We're not saying that he is sexist. You're trying to say that he was not allowed to mention Platinum, which is speculation. --ケンジガール 01:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Even though WPM, the person who not only is the webmaster of PokeBeach, but was also responsible for the interview [and thus, the only one who actually knows full well from experience] actually stated that the way he denied knowledge of Platinum made it seem as though he legitimately didn't know about it?!
Another thing, I wasn't saying that he wasn't allowed to mention Platinum. J-J-M was saying that as a reason to delete it. In fact, I was adding in the part about his not having any knowledge of Platinum BECAUSE this is fact (Heck, Water Pokemon Master, the guy IN CHARGE of the interview stated this fact.). Weedle Mchairybug 01:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Just because he speculated it doesn't mean it's true... >_>; WPM is just another Pokémon fan just like us. Just because he runs a card website doesn't mean he's psychic and knows what people are thinking. Like I could have an interview with someone and believe they don't want to tell me something for a particular reason. Does that mean that what ever I think the reason could be is true??? --ケンジガール 01:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
He was actually there, though, so at least in his case, it counts (I mean, was it any different that we quoted Eric Stuart, who not only is a lowly VA, but not even a Seiyuu or part of Japan, as to how Brock's last name is Harrison, or how we quoted K-Zone despite it not being affiliated with Pokemon in any way?). Besides, Masamitsu Hidaka had lied to us in the past (remember his writing staff saying that Ash's father would be appearing in the 5th season in the directors commentary of Spell of the Unown?), so even IF He had actually known and told us about Arceus or Platinum, we still shouldn't trust him enough to quote him [I mean, quoting an ex-director who lies and has no knowledge of a game coming out is no different than quoting the fanbase, and we both know how that's not allowed.]. Weedle Mchairybug 02:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Just because Hidaka works for Shogakukan, and CoroCoro's made by it, doesn't mean that he needs to know everything they report. He's not part of Game Freak. TTEchidna 04:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Since that's the case, we shouldn't even say that Ash will be able to continue for every generation of games released, even if he said this, because he doesn't work for GameFreak, and thus, shouldn't even know that. Heck, we shouldn't even say that there would be a Fifth Generation due to this fact, as well.
Besides, he should still have an Idea about Platinum, considering how oh, I don't know, Shaymin and Giratina's alternate forms making their debut in the movie, Glacidea appearing (Glacidea, or rather, the flower that resides there, is an item in the games that helps Shaymin access it's sky forme.)
Another thing, will you stop insulting people when making edits?! Weedle Mchairybug 10:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
What in the world does gamefreak have to with the anime? Not one thing on the gamefreak page mentions the anime at all. And since there was no quote like I asked, I don't care if my next argument is flawed. Sky Shaymin and orginal Giratina may have had nothing to do with the games. It could've simply have been an anime exclusive thing, You say the movie leaked things about Pokemon platinum but how can you say that before details of those specifics things were known about Platinum. I'm sorry but no, you can't use what you know now to argue about something that occured in the past. If your going to argue against Hidaka only use the knowledge everyone had then. Because like I said at the time of said interview, those different forms could've easily been anime exclusive. And if there is a counter-point against it, keep in mind that not everyone knows everything about a certain subject, and make sure some of those counter-point facts were obtained fairly. Such as Arceus, A year ago it technically did not exist, just because everyone basically knew about it doesn't mean the fact of Arceus was obtained fairly. Make sure your Counter-point facts are from official sources. --Dman dustin 18:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Problem is, Platinum was revealed AFTER Giratina's Origin forme was revealed (And it also revealed Giratina's Origin forme IN-GAME via preview screenshots), but before the interview came out. And, seeing how the movie was basically being MADE around that time, we can't say it's an Anime-exclusive thing. As for how Gamefreak has anything to do with the anime, it's simple. Aside from the fact that the credits for the anime list "Satoshi Tajiri" as the creator of the Anime, it also had a hand in some things (even implementing things from the Anime into the games, like Breeders, Breeding, Pokemon Contests, Eggs, certain attacks, Double Battles, even some pokedex entries. They have some ties to each other.
As for a quote, I tried to find one, but trying to search through things is tricky. Weedle Mchairybug 19:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Just tell me this, Weedle. Do you expect a person that actually works with the Pokemon Company to not know anything about Platinum?? Especially when the entire fandom knows about it? (through leaks) I understand not knowing any details about the game but not knowing whether it exists?? That's way too ridiculous. I mean he has to be living under a rock for that to happen. Its obvious he denied its existence since it wasn't officially announced at that point (leaks are not official). J-J-M 13:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

There was an official announcement, though. In fact, it was announced before the interview or Movie 11 even aired. Heck, Corocoro was talking about it in it's magazines, detailing it's development. Due to these facts, then his even denying knowledge just to keep his job was pointless if he actually did know. Weedle Mchairybug 19:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Either way, he had to have some reason for denying it. The possibility of him actually not knowing anything about this is way too improbable. J-J-M 21:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Believe me, it's official policy even if people have guessed and figured out that something's gonna happen for them to deny it. Go on ahead, ask Poké's mailbag about Arceus. They know about it, they know we know about it, but they won't say anything on it. TTEchidna 21:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
IF that's the case, then CoroCoro Comics would have been sued or shut down for basically spoiling us with the Platinum developmental stage. Heck, the guys who wrote the 11th movie would also have been sued and/or fired for pretty much exposing Pokemon Platinum's existance with Origin Forme Giratina and Sky Forme Shaymin. seeing how neither of these guys had those things happen to them, I doubt that that's it. Weedle Mchairybug 21:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
They don't have to do anything. I mean, so what if people already know about it? Its not going to affect them or their sales in any way. J-J-M 21:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
If leaks aren't allowed in any way, either through their company (which, yes, "Giratina and the Sky Warrior"'s writers ARE part of the Pokemon Company), or through people who write articles dealing with them (EG, Corocoro), they are held under the tense copyright/product secrecy laws to NOT TELL. Seeing how both CoroCoro AND the writers of the Shaymin Movie had pretty much broken those laws, they would have A. been sued. B, been shut down and recalled, C. the writers/journalists in question would have been fired. But, neither of those happened, so if they can get away with leaking Platinum Info, Hidaka could as well. Besides, need I really remind you of the infamous incident that was the creation of "Mega Man X6"? Keiji Inafune was the founder of the Mega Man franchise, and yet, despite his status, he never even knew that some of his grunts decided to make Mega Man X6, much less approved of it until it was near completion. Whose to say that something similar didn't happen with hidaka? Weedle Mchairybug 21:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Unlike Corocoro and the other one, Hidaka is directly working under the company. So his every actions would be under possible monitoring. And being a creator of something doesn't mean you still have to work for it or has to know everything that happens, unlike Hidaka who has to know about it since he belongs to a team of writers who write the movies and the show. J-J-M 22:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the writers of the Shaymin movie (who are the same writers as the ones on the show) DO work directly under the company, seeing how Hidaka belongs to the same company as them. So, seeing how they pretty much spoiled Platinum's existance with Origin Forme and Sky Forme, they would HAVE to be sued, fired, or have their movie recalled. And anyways, even lower grunts who belong to the same team don't always know what's going on. I mean, take Hal Emmerich, for example. He was nothing more than a lowly scientist who helped create Metal Gear REX, and yet, he had no idea that he was actually building a doomsday device (His employers, DARPA and Armstech, convinced him that it was only going to be little more than a defense system.), and it's more likely that most of his team-mates knew about it's true purpose. Weedle Mchairybug 22:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
God, why do you keep bringing up other shows into this? Anyway like I said Hidaka has to know to about it since many episodes in late DP had Platinum elements to it. He couldn't just be randomly "told" to do it and just obeyed them like it was nothing without enquiring about it. J-J-M 22:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, WPM did interview him anyways, and since he was there, I'd have to take his word for it (Shame he didn't record it.), I mean, if he said that his mannerisms indicated that he truly didn't know that Platinum was being made, he probably didn't know. I mean, in order for him to tell a lie like that, not only would he have to say the falsehood, but he has to replicate the emotion, thought process, and physical behavior/body language of that lie (Which, BTW, is very difficult to even try and do, if not downright impossible. Even someone who is a "master" at deception often has a slight quirk that gives away that they are lying.). Weedle Mchairybug 22:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Either way, you don't know for sure. You're just taking WPM's word for it that Hidaka appeared to be ignorant. You're forgetting different people have different views on how they judge people. J-J-M 22:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
You also forget that people (even one of the more trained people in terms of the subject) have certain mannerisms to indicate they are lying about something. You know what, I'll PM WPM and ask him if he recalls noticing any... strange quirks when he answered the question on either Arceus or the subject on Platinum. IF he says "no" to the term "any strange quirks", then we add it in. Deal? Weedle Mchairybug 23:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Its still speculation, btw. So, no. J-J-M 23:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
No, it's not speculation if the interviewer notices the mannerisms, it's fact. I mean, if He said that he was exhibiting mannerisms when he wasn't even there to know, THAT would be speculation. This, however, isn't speculation, since he was there. Weedle Mchairybug 23:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Mannerisms aren't proof. J-J-M 23:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Eye-witnesses and people who were AT the interview ARE, though. Besides, he needs to have the skills to even tell what he's saying is true or not. How many interviewers are Knuckles the Echidna like characters, if that wasn't the case? Weedle Mchairybug 23:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Did he say that he legitimately didn't know? Did WPM find out from someone that he didn't know? Did Hidaka send a message to WPM that he just found out about Platinum and is sorry he gave the wrong info? No? Then it's all speculation. J-J-M 23:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

He told him he didn't know, WPM pointed out that when he said this, his body language and mannerism's proved it to be true. As for the not getting a message from him, how do we know if he did or did not get an apology message? For all we know, he got it and yet didn't disclose the fact (Heck, I don't share any or all of MY PMs to everyone, I don't even share my Emails to anyone on the threads, does that mean that I don't get any Emails? NO, IT DOESN'T! If I can get Emails and not tell anyone about them, He can as well.). Weedle Mchairybug 01:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You know what's funny Weedle? You believe Hidaka's "eye candy" comment but not anything else he says. You believe what you want to believe and will not accept anything against it. Nothing's anyone gonna say is going to make you change your mind making it pointless arguing with you. So, ending the discussion, have you met Hidaka? Talked with him? Do you know anything about him? No!, you don't and neither does WPM. I mean, is he some human lie detector that could say whether a person is telling the truth or not?? Just because he spent some time with him, doesn't make him able to guess what Hidaka thinks or anything. I am not saying that what he said is untrue; its ultimately is just an opinion and as such, shouldn't be there. I know you're going to come up with something against this but I've had enough and am not going to continue this discussion. J-J-M 20:35, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's not that I actually believed his word on the eye-candy. Actually, I had always known that it was because of something like that, even BEFORE he told us that. I knew it was due to eyecandy because when they replaced Misty allegedly due to "keeping the show fresh"/"removing dead weight", they failed to replace other main characters who fared far worse in Johto (I.E. Brock), nor did they actually try to keep it fresh (eg, they didn't replace all of the characters from the previous series). May's looks and her overall persona also was evidence enough that they only did it so they could have eyecandy on the show. The only thing HE did in regards to the girl aspect was just confirm my suspicions. I never ACTUALLY believed him (by that, I mean absorbed his words and learned of it after he said it.).
As for what I do know about him. I know he used to be the director of the Show up until the end of Season 9 (or, for the non-season-airing Japanese, the end of AG), he used to want to be an architect, but eventually settled on an animation role, and had a role in that infamous lie that the writers told 4Kids about "Ash's father appearing in "Master Quest" in the "Spell of the Unown" movie.
As for Human Lie detectors, usually, liars emit some signs that they are lying (like looking down, some sort of doubt in their "no Knowledge", having a twitch, fidgeting, fiddling with something on their faces, etc., etc.,). If WPM replies to my PM and states anything abnormal, period, about his reaction (like a slight twitch, or something like that), THEN we can keep it out. If not, then we would have to add it back in. Weedle Mchairybug 21:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Speaking as someone completely uninvolved in this debate, I would like to inform you all that you're acting completely ridiculous. And tempers are a bit high. Why is there such controversy over this simple topic? Aura-Knight 21:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
It's because J-J-M here has removed a mention of Platinum from the article just because he thinks that "WPM can't be able to tell lie from truth, and tha Hidaka was lying from that statement.".
Speaking of which, I suggest you guys watch "Lie to me", because that's a perfect example as to how some people are just skilled at being Lie detectors (to the extent where they can even tell that total strangers are lying.). Weedle Mchairybug 22:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This is all so stupid... Please stop talking about it. Speculation is speculation. End of discussion. --ケンジガール 01:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You know, even Masamitsu Hidaka's word can be labeled as speculation, seeing how he has no outright idea if the Show does indeed continue if Ash does, even IF he actually did know about Platinum, considering his current status as being nothing more than a Storyboard designer (if even that.). I mean, heck, even Kasumi of BMGf stated that his word is not set in stone, so technically, he's not a truly unbiased and unspeculatory source. Weedle Mchairybug 01:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
No. What your saying is that because WPM believed Hidaka didn't know of Platinum, or what ever, that it should be mentioned in the article. Hidaka's actions toward a certain question are not valid. As said, he is in the ANIME department. Not the games. So stop discussing this matter and find something better to do, immediately. --ケンジガール 01:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Just because he's in the Anime department DOESN'T mean that he can't hear of it, especially seeing how Origin Forme Giratina and Sky Forme Shaymin made their debuts in the 11th movie (Which, even for a storyboard artist, he would have certainly picked something up.). Besides, Corocoro is neither part of the Games department, the anime department, the card department, the manga department, nor even the merchandising department of the Pokemon Company, and yet it also knew about Platinum's development (Heck, it was the thing that pretty much revealed this fact, despite the fact that in doing so, it would have risked being shut down), I mean, if some magazine department with no ties to the pokemon company/gamefreak would know and leak info about Platinum's development, AND the anime department pretty much makes a movie that directly exposes Platinum's developmental existance by showing Giratina and Shaymin's alt. formes, a prototype to the Ruined World, and the Gracidea flower, whose to say he can't have heard of Platinum's development due to his being in the Anime Department. Weedle Mchairybug 02:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'll say it again.... SPECULATION. --ケンジガール 02:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
If we don't allow speculation or fanwank on here, please explain why we have an article on on here? Heck, why do we have Articles on shippings? If this isn't allowed due to speculation, then Shipping articles aren't either. Heck, the Pokemon Controversy articles are, in themselves, speculation, or fanwank, anyways. why do you keep those on here? I mean, if you guys were really against speculation as you claim, those articles wouldn't even exist. Besides, I've also noticed how you guys always think that, just because Masamitsu Hidaka works for the company, his word is undeniable. IT'S NOT! Just because he works there doesn't make his word any less speculatory than us. Heck, I'm pretty sure that there are artists and writers who have far different views on how the show is truly run compared with his. In order for us to keep speculation out of Bulbapedia, we MUST remove absolutely every little thing of conflicting views or fanon fact, regardless of whether it's a fan or an official of the series. Weedle Mchairybug 02:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)