Talk:Dragon Ascent (move)

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Relation to Close Combat

This is pretty much a Flying-type version of Close Combat, right?

And if so, then does that mean we should put it under the Superpower variations template? Nintendocan (talk) 04:05, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Move Availability

That table on the right says it's available in Pokemon XY but it's only available in Pokemon ORAS. I would change it myself, but I have no idea how to work the coding behind it. Voltdetector (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You wouldn't be able to, anyway. The template's protected, and ORAS isn't implemented yet to tutor, level and TM/HM templates on moves' pages (it is on the Pokémon's pages, though). Eridanus (talk) 12:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Ascent's stat lowering

When Dragon Ascent is used and causes the last opposing Pokémon in a battle to faint (i.e. no other opposing Pokémon are left and no other moves are used in the battle), the user's Defense and Special Defense is not shown being lowered as it is after each use otherwise (I'd assume this also happens with every other move that lowers one or more of the user's stats, but I haven't really been paying attention to this). Does this mean that the user's Defense and Special Defense are not lowered when the move is used in this situation, or are they still lowered as normal but this is just not seen? I ask because I wanted to make a note on the article if it's the former.

Xérnéas (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's true for any stat-lowering move because if it's not the opponent's last Pokémon, then the stats are lowered after the Pokémon faints and not before. AGGRON989 17:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
If the battle is over, why would it even matter if your stats are changed or not? It doesn't seem notable either way. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Aggron989: Isn't it the other way around though? Stats are lowered before any opposing Pokémon faint, aren't they?
@ Tiddlywinks: It doesn't really matter with regard to a battle you'd be in, but Bulbapedia's move articles aim to describe in detail exactly what each move does, right? If this is something that can happen when the move is executed, then it should be noted, shouldn't it?
Xérnéas (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Most people will read this sort of wiki to learn things they can use in the games; if the battle is over, it has no use to them, so at best it is trivia, except nothing makes it notable as trivia either. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:58, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, it might be the other way around, but I don't think so. I'll check and get back to you on that. AGGRON989 18:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Nope, you're right. The stats do go down first. But I do know that it's not exclusive to Dragon Ascent for the stats to stay the same when the battle ends. That's just how it works in general. AGGRON989 18:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I suppose it could matter if it was holding a White Herb. If its stats aren't lowered, then it doesn't consume the item. --SnorlaxMonster 18:49, 23 May 2015 (UTC)