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:::I think I both agree and disagree. I understand how it seems odd for Electroweb's status as a signature move to bounce back and forth, however that's not a particularly common occurrence, and I think it still fits in with the spirit of a signature move. After all, Audino had Secret Power as a signature move in Gen V, even though nearly any Pokémon could exist on those cartridges knowing that move through transfers. I disagree, then, that transfer availability disqualifies a move from being a "signature" move. I also think that the criteria for signature moves are in no way obscure or "difficult to divine", regardless of whether or not I agree with them. A move is a signature move 'in a particular game' if only one family of Pokémon—either evolutionary line or related Legendaries—can learn it without breeding. Transfers and events can be considered reasonable exceptions as they both require interaction outside the game itself (connection to another game or download server—conditions not pre-loaded onto the cartridge). Pretty clear-cut in my opinion. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 04:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | :::I think I both agree and disagree. I understand how it seems odd for Electroweb's status as a signature move to bounce back and forth, however that's not a particularly common occurrence, and I think it still fits in with the spirit of a signature move. After all, Audino had Secret Power as a signature move in Gen V, even though nearly any Pokémon could exist on those cartridges knowing that move through transfers. I disagree, then, that transfer availability disqualifies a move from being a "signature" move. I also think that the criteria for signature moves are in no way obscure or "difficult to divine", regardless of whether or not I agree with them. A move is a signature move 'in a particular game' if only one family of Pokémon—either evolutionary line or related Legendaries—can learn it without breeding. Transfers and events can be considered reasonable exceptions as they both require interaction outside the game itself (connection to another game or download server—conditions not pre-loaded onto the cartridge). Pretty clear-cut in my opinion. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 04:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::::Why, then, do TMs and Tutors disqualify a signature move, but breeding does not? I have never seen a satisfactory answer for this, nor can I imagine that one exists. It's utterly arbitrary and senseless. It'd be better to have it all-or-nothing. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | ::::Why, then, do TMs and Tutors disqualify a signature move, but breeding does not? I have never seen a satisfactory answer for this, nor can I imagine that one exists. It's utterly arbitrary and senseless. It'd be better to have it all-or-nothing. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::If a move exists as a TM or Tutor move, the game is telling you that there are many Pokémon that can learn it. Like, the move is being advertised to you as something that can be "taught". It's nearly impossible to explain; you either see it or you don't. All I can say is that it would make absolutely no sense for a TM/Tutor move to be learnable by one Pokémon (barring "special" tutor moves like Dragon Ascent; which are specifically mentioned to be FOR a specific Pokémon). Yes that happened in Gen I but we are far past that now. Breeding doesn't really carry that same weight, because when a move is gained by breeding, it is "passed down" by the parent who knows the move, rather than "taught" to the Pokémon from an outside force. That's really the best way I can explain it. It makes perfect sense to me. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#AA66FF">GLO</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#00b7eb"><u>TALK</u></span>]]</sup> 04:42, 8 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
