Talk:Pokémon Master

[01:15:46] <+MrE> Aside from the Legendary issue, it would be impractical for anyone in the anime to capture and maintain 391 different creatures. Unlike the Pokémon games or Pokémon Special manga, in which Pokémon can be stored in suspended animation as computer data - Pokémon in the anime need t be fed and exercised regularly to maintain their health. Such a task would be impossible for anyone to perform alone, or even with many assistants or helpers.
[01:16:04] <+MrE> like a zoo because zoos obviously don't keep hundreds of animals in health :(
- Jshadias 06:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

>I very much doubt being a Pokémon Master would entail being a glorified zoo keeper. If that were the case, a would-be Pokémon master's main priority would be to stay at home, buy land, and construct large enclosements, cages, and purchasing vast quantities of food. Not to travel around and battle a handful of Pokémon. - Zeta

Mewtwo Strikes Back definition

I have a Mewtwo Strikes Back DVD. In the special features there is a brief history/summary of the Pokemon franchise. It explains what a trainer is and defines a Pokemon master as someone who has caught one of every Pokemon. I'll post the direct quote later.--SomeoneIKnew 04:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

A valid possibility but I don't think that will be how Ash becomes a Pokémon master since the emphasis on catching them all has disappeared. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 11:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

And become damn near impossible. TTEchidna 02:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Official Pokémon Handbook definition

Based on the definition of a Pokémon Master in the Official Pokémon Handbook, Ash Ketchum is already a Pokémon Master, since unlike his rival, he does not boast about how great he is. He also cares deeply about his Pokémon, not just uses them to win battles, unlike Gary.--Hitmonlee 20:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

That means Gary, Reggie, Jimmy, Marina, and Lance, not to mention a few hundred others, are all already Pokémon Masters.Shadow1337 12:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a copy of that book, and it does imply that. In the book, it talks about the Elite Four, describing them as "a select group of the best Pokemon Masters in the world." [that is a direct quote, by the way]. That implies that the title is essentially given to elite trainers, or people who have caught a lot of pokemon. And that also goes along with what the Nintendo representative said, that it is open to interpretation. So, I would interpret that the title can be given to anyone that is considered an elite trainer, but that it's not an official title. BlitzSage 23:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Soo... Is Cynthia a Pokemon Master?

Ok, the article says that the belief that a Pokémon Master being a League champion has holes in that theory since Ash won the Orange League and never became a Pokémon Master, and that the Elite 4 members of each region, as well as the Champions aren't referred to as such, either.

However, I've been reading up on some threads, and people are claiming that Cynthia was referred to as a Pokémon Master in the Japanese version (or Pokémon League Champion of the world, to be exact), and that DP confirms that in order to be a Master, a trainer must beat the Elite 4 in a tournament, so I was wondering, is this really said, and if so, should the article be edited to mention this fact?

Also, should the mention of beating the Battle Brains be mentioned on there as well? I'm asking since the Battle Brains were stated to be stronger than even the Elite 4/Pokémon League Champion. Weedle Mchairybug 18:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that Cynthia would be known as a master. I think we should create a section listing possible masters, like her, Lance, and the members of the Elite Four.BlitzSage 01:14, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Catching Mewtwo

According to my copy of The Official Pokémon handbook, a Trainer becomes a Pokémon Master when they have captured Mewtwo. Is this true? I took it to mean that the Trainer had "mastered" the game, as there is more or less nothing left to do in the original games after you have caught it. Taromon777 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we should change or add to this section. First of all, it says that if you can defeat Mewtwo then you deserve the title of Master, but I think that it is unclear enough to say that it says you have to capture him to be a master. Also, it calls the Elite Four trainers master trainers. So I don't think it means that you have to capture or even beat Mewtwo to be a master.BlitzSage 01:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright

I emailed Pokemon.com's mailbag asking for their definition of Pokémon master. I got this response.

I'm very sorry, but the Pokemon Company does not answer questions of this nature.  

It is the intent of the Pokemon creators that such questions be left to the imaginations and interpretations of Pokemon fans, adding more excitment and mystery to the Pokemon universe.

Methinks that this official response merits mention in the article? Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 00:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

They'll define it eventually. I mean, if they can basically confirm Pikachu's gender right then and there in The Worst Togepi in History, despite the writers/seiyuu's comments about how they deliberately never confirmed Pikachu's Gender so the audience of both genders can connect with Pikachu, the same can happen in regards to not defining what a Pokémon Master is.

Besides, Pokémon.com has made mistakes before, most notably Jessie's Age, as well as claiming the cloaked Pokémon in Pokémon Symphonic Melody was the Red Lightning, which, aside from the fact that it was obviously Mewtwo, when Pokémon Symphonic Medley first aired, Red Lightning wasn't even made yet. Weedle Mchairybug 02:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think they will. Personally, I do not think it is a term that is supposed to be defined. I think we could just stick with a general definition, that it means you're a great trainer. I really believe that is what the term is all about. And the fact that they haven't given a solid definition is just proof that that is right.BlitzSage 19:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they also say that Pikachu's Gender was never supposed to be revealed? Seeing how they did officially reveal Pikachu's gender, what the writers said or what Pokemon.com said won't matter in the long run (if it did, they definitely would not have revealed Pikachu's Gender in DP142. Weedle Mchairybug 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Before I forget...again

Yes, this may be speculation, but that is all that we can do to answer the question of what this is. I came up with a definition which fits rather nicely, but still offers lots of room for freedom:

"Someone who accomplishes a great task regarding Pokémon."

Most well-known people (Professors, Champions, Player, etc.) can fall under this category. For example, Oak created the Pokédex, and is the most well-known professor, hence his title of Master. Champions are the best members of the League in their respective areas, which can be hard to do. The Player defeats both a villinous team and the Champion, so they are also a Master. However, you could also consider the Rocket Trio masters as well, as they most likely far surpassed the previous record for number of failed attempts at stealing Pokémon.

Think this is good enough for addition onto the theory list? --TruePikachu 02:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I like that idea, it fits well with the game, but as I mentioned below, I think it's been confirmed in the final Sinnoh League Victors episode. --Nathan2055^talk 17:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Champion League?

In the newest dub episode, Cynthia mentions that Ash and Paul might meet up in the Champion League. What exactly is the champion league? My guess is, it's a league for the "best of the best" trainers. Trainers who have won at least 1 regional league. Then, the top trainers have to battle and get 1st place in the champion league, in order to fight against the Elite Four and Chamption. --PokemonTrainerLisa 14:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, the final Sinnoh League Victors episode mentions the Champion League again. But it also mentions that Ash will become a Pokémon Master once he defeats a Champion (see section below). --Nathan2055^talk 17:01, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Finally!

The final episode of Sinnoh League Victors mentions, as I said above, that a Trainer must beat a Champion to become a Pokémon Master. The reason this didn't happen in the Orange Islands seems to be because Drake was more of a Gym Leader than a Champion (also, the Orange League worked differently than the other Leagues). --Nathan2055^talk 17:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

It still doesn't explain why Ash didn't get it back in the Battle Frontier Saga. For one thing, the Frontier Brain members were implied to be either at least be on the same level as the Elite 4, if not surpassing them or even the Champion, so he technically fought and beat 7 champion-leveled trainers or at least 7 E4-leveled trainers. Weedle Mchairybug 22:00, 6 February 2011 (UTC)