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In contrast, perhaps, in PokéSpe, Birch does seem to recognise Ruby after a while. Though the running shoes were a big hint, he later recalls that he has met Ruby before as a younger boy. This is, of course, later expanded upon in the backstory of Ruby and Sapphire... - 振霖T 04:00, 9 January 2006 (CST)

For the record, Prof. Birch does recognize May after she chases the attacking Zigzagoon away. It can be inferred that her battle style reminded him of Norman's spirit, although Norman made it appear she was not that strong a character. At any rate, Prof. Birch only makes the connection after the battle, suggesting he has never seen her before. In early Pokémon Special, it is Ruby who would rather seem as a less than spectacular trainer (while Norman disapproves of that), thus refusing to battle Mightyena. Prof. Birch identifies Ruby judging by a combination of seeing the running shoes (which, in the games, are acquired later on) and a memory of his visage as a younger boy.
If to be clear, the point is that the conversation does not take place, or at least not in the same way as any other piece of dialogue in the games. In the two game series, the professor begins with a presentation of himself, moving onto explaining just what Pokémon are. He then asks for the player's gender and name, going as far as to refer to a certain fact about the character (Red's rivalry with Green; May's moving to Littleroot Town). In both cases, though for different reasons, the latter part of the conversation does not logically flow with the former. I am proposing what most may find to be tautological--the conversation begins with the player, and by the time it ends, the player has essentially "merged" with the canon character. This makes way to a "player perspective" throughout the entirety of the games.
Interestingly, this notion has not been completely ignored in Pokémon Special. Included in Vol. 15, where the aforementioned chapter with Ruby is found, is the final scene to the Gold/Silver/Crystal saga. It remarkably depicts the introduction of the respective game series: Prof. Oak's being woken up by Crys; his speech on his radio show and asking for the name of an unseen boy asking to receive a Pokédex. As much as I appreciate this attempt at being true to the games, I find it to be a mere plot device whose sole purpose was to elegantly wrap up the storyline. By being reserved for the end, as opposed to the beginning, the meaningful concept is reduced in my eyes.
As a last note, the speech from the Generation II games is not brought here as I feel it is different in nature. It will be provided once comparisons to Diamond and Pearl can be made, presumably after the Japanese release.

Flower Paradise

I meant that Shaymin will probably be involved, but you removed that too, so I undid your edit to add back the part about Shaymin. --Shiny NoctowlTalk|Trivia quiz 20:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

But now the paragraph is not even relevant to the article, is it? Feel free to add the part about Shaymin to the Pokémon page, but you would clearly not have thought of putting it on the other page had you not had Flower Paradise in mind for the movie, as well. --Unown Lord


Please could you look at the Pokémon spriting page? someone suggested it should be deleted, but I don't think so.

A favor?

Template:Welcome is apparently protected. I've noticed that a lot of users spell "Poké Ball" incorrectly, so I'd appreciate it if you'd add something about that to the template. --ニョロトノ666 19:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have made the necessary changes. Thanks for pointing that out, and feel free to contact me regarding other protected pages as the case may be. --Unown Lord 13:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I've got another admin job for you relating to another protected page. Could you please edit the links so as to reflect my recent moves of all game-boy titles (i.e. changing Pokémon Blue (Japanese) to Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese))? Thanks. --ニョロトノ666 01:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Silly me. The page I need edited is Version-exclusive Pokémon. Thanks again! --ニョロトノ666 02:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Questions From A Self-Proclaimed, and Others on Other Sites Proclaimed, N00B/An Edit Read On to Pokémon Platinum

Dear Unown Lord, I just registered on Bulbapedia, and so far, I am happy I did. There is just one problem. I have tried to make my user page about 10 times, and it always says that,"You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason:

You do not have permission to edit pages in the User namespace."

How do I get permission? Thanks! Also, can you please edit the Platinum article to say that Volkner won't be Sunyshore Gym Leader anymore? I read it on

Purpleknowitall 03:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Purpleknowitall

Well, right now, none of us can edit the usernamespace, due to the sad fact that most users signed up just to make a userpage. So, the admins protected the entire usernamespace...Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links07:04 19 May 2008


...Oh. I reverted it to having no date. That was really more of an oversight, yeah I meant to have the 20th...

The sarcastic tone was totally necessary, though. Good way to encourage respect for ranks on a wiki! If it makes you feel justified, would you like me to revert it on Thursday for the international date line?--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 16:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Spanish Wiki

Sorry to bother at 2:26 AM(My Time PST) but there's a user(User:Anthony) who says there's a Spanish Wiki(Bulbapedia) called Raltsapedia and is wondering with it should belong to the Encyclopaediae Pokémonis‎?--CoolPikachu! 09:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi! I only just now realized (after being here for so long...) that there's a user other than me listed in the User he-N category, and an admin, no less... So I thought I'd say hi... Are you Israeli too? --electAbuzzzz 14:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am. Reading your user page, I believe that congratulations are in order for your finishing three years of service in the IDF, correct? --Unown Lord 21:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, thanx, I was released last week, actually... :) So far it's fun, but I guess I'll have to find a job eventually, lol... What about you? --electAbuzzzz (TALK) 10:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I am currently studying for my university exams, working on a Mathematics degree. My enrollment to IDF was delayed by a year, and even now I still don't know where exactly my service will be.
That's all I feel comfortable sharing on this page. We can correspond via E-mail, if you would like. --Unown Lord 15:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Gen V

1. No new Pokémon: What are the five mystery Pokémon then? I personally find it hard to believe that they will all five be new formes. And we all know that there will be at least one new Pokémon in the Arceus movie next year, and there was one in Movie 11 that apparently got cut (Judging from the fact that 2 new Pokémon were to be revealed and only one of them was Sky forme).

2. 4-5 years is long enough for the generation: Gen Three, the largest to date, lasted about 4 years. Gen II lasted about three years, and Gen I, 2 years. While yes, the pattern would suggest that Gen IV can last us another three years, there are no known games for sure after Platinum. GSDS would soak up about a year, but then we have 2 more years of few Pokémon games. Gen III was masterfully orchestrated, and really, the side games helped to prolong it. However, in Gen IV, all of the side games (that are successful) have already been done. that's not to say we won't see more side games, but unless there is a massive game for the Wii (doubtfully, considering PBR's sales), Gen IV doesn't have enough steam to last another three years.

3. New system in 2011: Previously it was 2010, before that 08, and so on. Nintendo loves the DS, and is really procrastinating when it comes to that elusive new system. Beyond that, its hard to say how Nintendo could improve upon the DS, other than give it some more power, and stronger overall graphics, sound, mic etc. With the Gameboy line, there was a clear direction to go, but now, although the DS is most assuredly not perfect, it is easily one of the best portable systems ever.

4. Older games: Nintendo really doesn't see a need to support games beyond a couple systems ago. With the new system, GBA connectivity would likely be lost, which makes some features of Diamond and Pearl unavailable, unless they make another Generation division, which would irritate most long term fans.

5. Speculation: Gold and Silver were designed originally for the Gameboy and are still compatible with it. And really, any guesses on when Nintendo will release the next system are speculation, which is bad. There's honestly no telling when Gen V and a new system could come, although 2012 would be a good outside estimate for the system.

Believe me, I want a new system and generation already, but we have to look at the data objectively, not subjectively. Aura-Knight 15:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all, please don't accuse me of looking at the data subjectively. No one can be truly objective about anything, but it is common courtesy to give others the benefit of the doubt; I believe that I have given you that, and so the respect should be mutual. Furthermore, my argument is that Generation V is still far away, so you certainly can't imply that I am blinded by hopes of seeing the new generation sooner rather than later; it is the exact opposite of that.
1. I, too, think that it would be absurd if the five silhouettes were all alternate forms. Over the forums, I have discussed at length why it is more than possible that new Pokémon will be included in Platinum's data. If to paraphrase, as far as Generation IV is concerned, alternate forms and new Pokémon are one and the same in that both have separate data from pre-existing Pokémon; Origin Forme and Sky Forme will both necessarily have new index numbers that do not exist in Diamond and Pearl (unlike the Deoxys scenario in Generation III, where the alternate forms were specific to new versions and overwrote Normal Forme's data).
However, the above is rather irrelevant to our own discussion. Regardless of whether or not they are brand new Pokémon, the Pokémon represented by the silhouettes will be playable in Platinum when they are unlocked through special events, which is to say that they will fall under the Generation IV category. In fact, the unprecedented move of adding new Pokémon to an existing generation, would go a long way to satiate fans' demand for new content until Generation V is released, which should be in quite a while from now. If the five silhouettes really turned out to be brand new Pokémon (I am using the conditional form not so much because I don't think that will happen, but because most fans deem it to be a stretch), they would not be first step towards preparing Generation V, but rather the first step towards prolonging the current generation.
As for the movies, there was no plan to introduce a new Pokémon in the recently released movie; the terms Pokémon A and Pokémon B were coined by the Japanese toy companies, and they turned out to be pseudonyms for Sky Forme and Land Forme Shaymin, respectively. You should also realize that in the same way you are now saying that next year's movie is guaranteed to feature new Pokémon, so did a multitude of fans believe - just a few months ago - that new Pokémon would debut in this year's movie. They had a proper reason to think that at the time, in light of the pattern that the second movie of each previous generation had introduced at least one new critter. Patterns can be deceiving, but until they have been broken, they deserve to be noted as long as there is a precedent of at least three occurrences.
2. Generation I lasted three years and 9 months (the gap should be counted between Japanese releases), which is only a month shy from Generation III's record. If we apply that to Generation IV, that takes us to as far as July 2010. Now, factoring in the fact that new Pokémon had already debuted by this point in all three past generations, but have not in this generation, it is more than reasonable to assume that Generation V's release will be pushed further away to the 2011 vicinity. Finally, Generation IV is currently devoid of remakes and a 3D RPG; should these be released, they will carry far more weight in the ability to prolong the generation than the spin-off games ever have.
3. Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has referred to releasing a DS successor in 2011 as being "an inflexible approach". That means that they might even be considering procrastinating it even further. However, they have definitely made it clear that should the need arise, the next platform will be available at that time.
Until now, I have found myself explaining to others why the assumption that the successor will be available prior to 2011 is an unmerited one. I am not sure what to say to someone who thinks that it could be even later than the data proposed by Nintendo. I will just note that I find it odd that you have no problem with the idea of the next system being released in such a long time from now, yet somehow that same standard does not apply to a future Pokémon generation.
4. Your point is unclear. I argued that that if the Generation V main versions were released for the DS, the third game would either be released for the new platform and lose compatibility with its predecessors, or fall behind the technology of its time. You seem to agree with that analysis, although for some reasons you applied it to Diamond and Pearl (whether or not they will be compatible with the next generation is quite beside the point).
5. 2011 is the safest assumption; it is a reasonable timeframe for both the next system and generation, and to say that one could be pushed further back while the other would have to come sooner, requires a better explanation than the one you have provided. Once again, new Pokémon and region are not sufficient conditions for a new generation. Had Gold and Silver been released for the Game Boy, they would have ended up being a shadow of their true selves; the decision to release them for a new Game Boy system gave way to the creation of the term "generation" in Pokémon's context.


i didnt call an admins edits vandalism!! --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 19:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That was abusing your powers.Not whining, not defending him, but blocking him because he called you a vandal is nothing.
Welcome to the internet!My name is proffesor DCM
Seriously, if your gonna ban anyone who calls you a name(which was your reason in the ban summary)you dont deserve the position.--DCM((TalkContributions))
"if you do this again i will have to tell and admin to block you. you cant say stuff like that thats not true. serebii confirmed it changes types. BP dont do GUESS WORK. dont worry youll get used to it." "no the types have changed. reverting vandalism;" taken from edit summaries.
Looks like you called an Admin's edits vandalism, or at least to me. And I am sorry that this happened to you, Unown Lord. and DCM, he was blocked for a multitude of reason, like having an edit war WITH AN ADMIN. But all of them weren't listed, just the name thing was. MoldyOrange 21:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Every user is entilted to his own opinion, and a responsible Admin would put all the reasons, not(Called an admin a Vandal)--DCM((TalkContributions))
The fact that he called an admin a vandal entails that he engaged in an edit war with said admin. Guardian insisted that the new forms had different types simply because Serebii had previously noted that that was the impression. I explained to Guardian that the actual source of the forms' data - Arty2 - had indicated that the forms did not have new types. Despite this, he chose to respond like a brat by calling me a vandal, pretending that I was not an admin after I had pointed out I was, and by generally being hypocritical (accusing me of stating an opinion as fact when he was the one doing just that).
The reasons for my blocking him are clear just from looking at his recent contributions, and there is no need for me to list a block of text in one sentence. You seem to think that the admins need to clarify their position for the other users. I am doing so because that is the right thing to do, but it is not required of me to have to explain myself. In this case, my actions are quite self-explanatory. --Unown Lord 21:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
→Possible new Pokémon: not confirmed)
(no the types have changed. reverting vandalism)
(if you do this again i will have to tell and admin to block you. you cant say stuff like that thats not true. serebii confirmed it changes types. BP dont do GUESS WORK. dont worry youll get used to it)
What,should he worship the ground you walk on?he didnt know you were an admin, and he talked to you like a regualar user and actualyl had a point.His Edits prove nothing, because all he did was change it back because at that time, he thought it was just guesswork.You were wrong.--DCM((TalkContributions))
Implying without merit that someone is a vandal, is not acceptable conduct even when done towards a regular user, so your point is moot. Furthermore, either Guardian is very slow, or he should have realized I was an admin when I pointed out what he had done; intelligent human beings are capable of such deductions.
It is also nice to see how you misrepresent the events; Guardian had no reason to believe I was merely guessing, as I explained that "The fact that their types are the same has been confirmed along with their base stats." I expanded on this in greater detail on his talk page: "Arty2, the same person who is responsible for extracting the new forms' base stats, has also indicated that they all possess the same types as the original form. It is as simple as that."
The simple reality is that he pretended to be the admin while I was the vandal. He asked to be proven wrong, and your standing up for him so religiously suggests to me that you might be the same person. Regardless of whether or not you are, you are going nowhere with this charade. --Unown Lord 22:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Just so you know, they aren't the same person. MoldyOrange 22:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Your wrong.your not gonna believe me.What any user says can be **** even an admin.HE had the right to revert you.HE had a right to call you a vandal, that privilege is not soley for admins.And I am not the same person as him--DCM((TalkContributions))
I am not sure what his rights were, but he was not right to call me a vandal, nor was he right to revert my edits when I was the one with supporting evidence. Beyond all, I had the right to penalize him for misproper conduct; responsibility comes with rights, and he clearly failed to acknowledge that. End of discussion.
Unless you wish to bring this to the other administrators' attention. Be my guest, but prepare to be subsequently mocked if you do. --Unown Lord 23:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
He didnt know you were a admin.He did waht he was told to do.Your supporting Evidence was serebii, a sight that has to do with theories.If bring this to other admins, I am gonna get the same response from them.--DCM((TalkContributions))
My supporting evidence was the data extracted from the game; his source was Serebii's opinion of the Pokémon's aesthetic appearances. And who was it that told him to do what he did? His imaginary friend? If so, he has bigger problems than being blocked for a week.
You seem to understand just how ridiculous you come across to others. Here is a novel idea: Keep your civil right speeches for law school. I am sure that you will do extremely well there. --Unown Lord 23:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Either way, UL, it wouldn't hurt to put the {{User Bulbapedia sysop}} template on your page... TTEchidna 01:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Administrator Status

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Please, either edit the List of administrators to reflect your status (Active, Hiatus, Inactive), or reply here when you get the chance.

If there is no response after two weeks from today, you will simply be assumed as "Inactive" and marked as such. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 15:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Need Help in posting News!!!!

Hello, I am a regular bulbapedia user and i want to submit a news. The source of the news is Pokebeach. My question is that can i post those news which are taken from pokebeach or it is a copyright case. I want to post a news on bulbapedia but i have a confusion of being copyrighted. So please help me and reply me as soon as possible. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 07:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Submit it in Bulbanews by using the New Article Assistant. You would need to re-write it, though, and it most likely has been reported already.--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 21:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

may i have a new account?

I am embarrassed at what I recently did, and some stuff I had already done. (See my talk for more details) I would like a new account, to have a fresh start. May I make one, please?-- WaterUser (page, talk) 13:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

No.--FF(editstalk) 13:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
i meant quit this account, and create a completly new one. not create a shadow puppet.--WaterUser (page, talk) 13:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC

Supposed Kanto Pokemon Exclusions

That's what the HGSS article says.

  • "Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, it does not retain the same Pokédex order as the original Generation II games, unlike how FireRed and LeafGreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green. This is presumably to include a few Generation IV Pokémon and exclude Generation I Pokémon that are found exclusively in Kanto." - the part about Kanto Pokémon was added (or rather, expanded) by you. There's really no evidence that something like that will happen. It's pure speculation. I don't think it's relevant to state it in the article. Especially that people has been lately treating Bulbapedia almost like an official source, so such misconceptions can spread all over the fandom. I also suggest adding the unavailable-in-GSC Kanto Pokémon to the unnumbered section on the Johto Dex article. All new evolutions (which have even smaller chance of inclusion) are listed there, then why aren't Kanto Starters, Fossils and Legendaries? They were in original Johto Dex, so I think these SHOULD be considered for inclusion after all. Even if you don't believe so. --Maxim 16:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Do you know what the word "presumably" means? It clarifies that this is nothing more than an educated guess at this point. Now, it is a valid claim that any Pokémon not found in Johto will not be listed in the Johto Dex, which is not identical to the New Dex. If the article actually said which Pokémon were exclusive to Kanto, then you'd have a point about there being too much speculation and too little evidence. That said, I do agree that stipulating that only Generation I Pokémon could be excluded might create the impression that the information has been confirmed, considering that a few Generation II Pokémon were also missing from Generation II Johto (notably the Larvitar line, which appear after Lapras in the New Dex, though I considerably doubt they will be excluded). I've revised the sentence to account for this.
I'll add the Generation I starters, fossils and legendaries to the other article, since they can't be ruled out at this point. --Unown Lord 18:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
On second thought, I've decided to remove the list of missing numbers, as I find it redundant and misleading. --Unown Lord

Frosslad Bounty Hunt

Hi Unknown Lord: After trying to find some good people for the job someone recomended me to you, if its not such a big problem can you plz help me sponsoure my legit shiny bounty hunt? P.S. If you are interested in giving me a recuest for a bounty hunt please feel free to ask and I will do my best to find your recuest.


Future generations page

Would you object if I half-reverted you? I'd remove the now fake paragraphs of course, but keeping the article as prose is much better than a list. —darklordtrom 20:37, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind the prose, but you also removed a few key points. Go ahead with the changes and I'll add what I think is missing. --Unown Lord 08:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


So, you've gone back to considering Kris and Lyra as one and the same, changing the passages about the two being different into some "political correct" weasel-talk? They're the player's avatars. And Kris didn't have too much space for "character" in original Crystal to begin with. Different designs means different characters in this case. The debate has ended and that guy's arguments were moot and dead as a horse. Only insane units now deny the fact that Kris and Lyra are different characters. --Maxim 08:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to cite that interview as conclusive proof when it only pertains to something that we already knew: That Kris and Lyra look substantially different. Takao Unno is not the right person to provide the final say on this debate.
If you don't think that Kris is anything but the player's avatar, I'm not sure why you mind thinking that it could just be a different-looking avatar. It should just be semantics as far as you're concerned, and getting upset over what is currently a legitimate opinion expressed in trivia form, is a little excessive. -Unown Lord 09:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
You know, if Lyra is just "different-looking avatar" then she is Kris just as much as she's May, Dawn or Blue. I don't know how much "character" do GF put into their player avatars. But as far as I'm concerned, not very much. --Maxim 09:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
You know perfectly well that Kris and Lyra have more in common with each other than with the other female characters. Besides, every girl's page has a trivia note about the names she shares with other characters, and you don't seem to have anything against that.
Would you mind telling me why you even care about any of this if you don't believe that Kris and Lyra are characters in their own right that will be established as canon at some point? You may as well suggest that their pages be deleted altogether.
-Unown Lord 10:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to barge in, but UL, there's been some discussion on this on the 'pedia admin forum. Please take a look. (this comment is not here to support either one of you, I'm just pointing you to the staff discussion on this as various opinions have been detailed there.) --electAbuzzzz 11:46, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't have access to that forum because I am no longer a member of the editorial board. Could you fill me in as to what is being said? -Unown Lord 13:53, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
All staff members should have access to that forum, not only EB members. Evan says you should be able to see it. this is the thread. If you can't view it, that's a technical problem we'll fix. --electAbuzzzz 15:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Re:Kage no Mushi

I actually found its artwork on DeviantArt submitted recently by ~Digit-Aria last month, who supposedly got the artwork from SailorClef (one of the editors of RAGECANDYBAR). I heard somewhere on the Bulbagarden forums that SailorClef had apparently found some old artwork which looked a little like Nincada, but this is probably the first time that the artwork has been uncovered again outside of where it originally came from.

Google doesn't help and searching terms like "ポケットモンスター" with the katakana of already known prototype Pokémon hasn't brought up much luck. There are other unreleased Pokémon like "Animon", "Netamon" and "Eleking", but without any pictures; they're mostly associated with the Nintendo Space World 1997 demo, where their names were shown at the event on a video of the Pokédex or in some cases supposedly existent within the playable Gold/Silver demos themselves (as was apparently the case with Honōguma, Kurusu and Happa [randomly assigned as starters at level 8]).

I'll try contacting SailorClef, and if the link to the original archived page is found again I'll let you know. --Chickasaurus 21:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


Hey. As a bureaucrat, you're able to change usernames, right? Could I be changed to ToastUltimatum? In the past I've made a separate account with a different username, but that just got me blocked for a week in fear of sockpuppeting >_> Over time, I've just become completely inactive due to this username, and I don't know why I've never asked a bureaucrat before. I still don't plan to raise my activity schedule much, as I'm primarily a member of SmashWiki, where I am a rollbacker, but to have a username change on here would be nice. That way, I could have a custom signature without overemphasising my awful username of the current. Thanks in advance --Torngentleman2 20:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Due to account linking on Bulbapedia, Bulbanews, and Archives, only MAGNEDETH, Kogoro, and myself can change usernames. I'm not sure if we can presently rename accounts though. Perhaps you should doublecheck with DETH since he knows most of the goings-on around this place. —darklordtrom 09:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)