User talk:Nmurthy

Welcome to Bulbapedia, Nmurthy!

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Again, please use the preview button, and if you intend to keep gathering/editing information in a short period, be patient and save when you think you've done most of what you want to. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Let me take this opportunity to emphasize a different point from above. Instead of editing several different sections independently and making multiple saves, try editing a "higher" section or just clicking "edit this page" at the top of the whole page so you only have to make one save. Thanks. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Please heed the advice of getting all the information you want to add before doing so. There's no point in making a half dozen edits to a page within five minutes if you can wait the five minutes and do it all in one. glik^glak 15:00, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Again, please use the "Edit this page" button at the top of the page with the "Show preview" button to avoid clogging up the recent changes. --Abcboy (talk) 11:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Colosseum e Cards

Hi! I saw you're edting info on Red Pack (Battle e), and I was just wondering, where are you getting this information from, or how?

I ask in part because the source I originally had disagrees (though in some ways your edits do seem to make better sense, and I can't honestly be sure that page is 100% reliable), and in part just out of curiosity.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

By the way, if you've missed this, I'd really be interested in the answer. A tiny part of me is hoping it might even be something I could easily replicate and investigate too. Thanks! =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Nmurthy (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

This is my main source for the truth behind the Colosseum e-card readers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFPxwo2uw_8

I can't fill in everything because it's a video and I don't have the e-readers myself. But I can at least contribute some data from this video.

Oh, cool! I'll have to give that a thorough look myself. ^^ Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

XD Trainer info source?

I've seen you editing some Pokémon XD info today. I wonder: where are you getting your info? Is it from in-game, or somewhere else? Just wanting to know your source, that's all. Plus, if you edit a Trainer's party template on a location page, make sure to edit the same template on the Trainer's own page too to match the edits on the location page, please. Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:17, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, I've done an in-depth walkthrough of this game using the Dolphin Emulator. And using the AR Cheat Codes to get the Pokemon that helped me get all of this info: Ditto and its ability to transform into any opponent. Using Ditto, I was able to get not only all of the moves that the opponent knows but also the order in which those moves appeared as well. For the abilities, I used Porygon2 and its Trace ability via the same cheat codes I used to get Ditto. - unsigned comment from Nmurthy (talk • contribs)

Unless you're resetting and checking multiple times, Trace is not exactly reliable. This should be. That should also save you some trouble of editing the data yourself. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, I understand now. I was using the Japanese Pokéwiki site as a source for the order of the moves, but now I'm feeling I may have made correct move orders into wrong ones... But anyway, the link Tiddlywinks gave you should be a good one, try it out sometime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:35, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon Battle Revolution

Hi. There's a couple of concerns with the pages you're adding for PBR's Lvl. 50 All Single Mode.

On the one hand, for battle modes in the core games like Battle Subway and the Battle Maison, we don't list opponent Pokemon, in part because there can be very, very many. And on the other hand, the divisions of pages you're using are somewhat excessive. Four pages for one rank is problematic.

At any rate, though, in short, I'd like to ask you to put a hold on this PBR information for a bit until I (or someone else) can get back to you on whether it's okay or how you should be adding the info you want to add. Thanks. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

The reason I find it justified to add the list of Lv. 50 Single (as well as other sections in PBR) Pokemon in PBR is that unlike the Battle Frontier, Battle Subway, Battle Maison and the like, the list is smaller due to the fact that there are only a max of 3 duplicate Pokemon (i.e. Venusaur, Vaporeon, Wormadam). The only other Pokemon that are duplicated are duplicated twice. In the other battle modes, the number of duplicate Pokemon can go up to 4, 6, 8, or even 10. - unsigned comment from Nmurthy (talk • contribs)

Sorry, it's taking a bit of time, I still can't really say what you should do about List of Lv.50 All Single Pokémon in Pokémon Battle Revolution.

If you need something to do for the meanwhile, though, several of the other Colosseums could really use some attention, like Sunset Colosseum, Sunny Park Colosseum, Magma Colosseum, and Courtyard Colosseum. It'd be great if you could fill out some of that other information. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:32, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, as for the Lv. 50 All list, for now, would you mind just putting together a sample page in your userspace? Make a single page for all the Rank 1 Pokemon, with each generation having its own section on that page, and put the Pokemon in tables with 4 Pokemon per row. In short, it should look a lot like List of Inver's Pokémon in Pokémon X & Y.

We'd like to be sure about what an entire rank is going to look like before OK'ing the whole thing. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:03, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I was really hoping I had been clear enough, but apparently I wasn't. Please do not make any more Rank pages for your Lv 50 All list for the time being. (Also, I did ask you to make the sample page in your userspace. Please try to pay attention better in the future.) We still have not approved your work yet. If you're that eager to do something, as I suggested above, there are other PBR pages that still need work.

One big issue that remains, in particular, is what exactly you're adding information for. I've searched this whole wiki, and "Lv. 50 All Single" does not seem to appear anywhere whatsoever. Could you please clarify for me, in as much detail as you can, what exactly this mode is that you're adding this info for and/or how it is accessed in PBR?

And just to re-emphasize this point this time: please do not continue any work on new Rank pages until you have explicit approval for this from myself or another staff member. Thank you. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

The information I'm trying to add is as much detail on what opponent Pokemon is encountered in Lv.50 All Single (and Double potentially in the future if you or someone else approves my work) including moves, possible items, ranks, and abilities. The main way to access the info in PBR is via the Sunset Colosseum since it is similar to the Battle Factory in that you can't use your own Pokemon; instead, 12 different rental Pokemon are available to select from and their information can be accessed before starting a battle. In addition, the Neon Colosseum is another way because both parties' Pokemon are selected by a roulette wheel. However, you can't see their information until the battle actually begins. - unsigned comment from Nmurthy (talk • contribs)

I've looked around a bit, and I think this is what you're trying to say. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

At any colosseum (or maybe most), you can choose a challenge where the opponents are Lv 50 (Level Rule: Lv 50 All) instead of the default Lv 30. If you choose that challenge, your opponents all come from the same pool, regardless of which colosseum you're in. Is that correct?

Further, at Sunset Colosseum and Neon Colosseum, your (the player's) Pokemon can also be selected from that pool of Pokemon if you're challenging at Lv 50 All. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

That is correct. - unsigned comment from Nmurthy (talk • contribs)

I'd like to ask a couple more questions. For one, you mentioned Doubles data above, so, just to check, that means the Double and Single formats do have different opponent pools? (Also, is this all just your own empirical research from playing the game a lot, or what?)

Second, I'm very confused about why, on the Rank 2 page, you have a bunch of "Item is rank-dependent" notes. If the page is for Rank 2, then either none of those items should have any variability, or else I'm very much not understanding something. Could you clarify the situation? Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:07, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The Single and Double battle formats have the same Pokemon but can have different movesets and items and potentially abilities. I have played the game for hundreds of hours and so I'm sure this is true and I have even kept the information in my personal records.

The reason I put the "Item is rank-dependent" is because each and every individual Pokemon in Lv. 50 All have their own unique rank and some of them have items that are fixed depending on the rank you are in when you see them. To illustrate, a Pokemon with a specific rank can be seen in the range from 2 ranks below its own rank (if the Pokemon is in Ranks 3 through 8) to 1 rank above its own rank (if the Pokemon belongs to a rank of at most 7). Most Pokemon that are in Ranks 2 through 5 in Lv. 50 All have an item that is dependent on which rank you see them. For example, let's take an actual Pokemon I've seen from my research: a Spiritomb that belongs to Rank 4. This particular Pokemon can be seen in Ranks 2 (only belonging to a Colosseum Leader), 3, 4, or 5. The Pokemon's item can change depending on the rank you see it. If you see Spiritomb in Rank 2 belonging to a Colosseum Leader, it will be holding a Leftovers. If it's seen in Ranks 3 or 4, it will be holding a Lum Berry. If it's seen in Rank 5, then it will be holding a Chesto Berry. - unsigned comment from Nmurthy (talk • contribs)

How have you determined the "correct" Ranks for these Pokemon, then? Like, how are you sure that Spiritomb "belongs" to Rank 4 specifically?

(Also, you should sign your responses with your signature, by typing four tildes (~). The unsigned template is meant for when a user forgot to add their signature.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

As mentioned in my example before, the Spiritomb I mentioned in my example could only be seen in Rank 2 if you're battling a Colosseum Leader. For the other 3 ranks, in this case Ranks 3, 4, and 5, it can be seen even if you are not battling the Colosseum Leader. To illustrate my point, a Pokemon belonging to Rank x can normally be seen if you're battling in Ranks (x - 1), x, or (x + 1). The only time you could potentially see that Pokemon in Rank (x - 2) is if you're battling a Colosseum Leader. There are normal trainers in Pokemon Battle Revolution that specialize in only 1 type. For example, there is a trainer that uses only Ghost-type Pokemon if possible. I got Spiritomb to be in Rank 4 because I was battling that Ghost-type-specializing trainer in Rank 2 hundreds of times with trials and errors but never actually saw Spiritomb. However, when I battled in Rank 3 in one of my trials I got Spiritomb.Nmurthy (talk) 22:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm perhaps getting more confused. Is it not possible that any Trainer can have any of these Pokemon? Conversely, is it possible for any of these Pokemon to appear on more than one Trainer's team?

Besides that, what I'm hearing is, you're really just guessing it's Rank 4. It could be Rank 3 (it doesn't matter if you think it'd make more sense to be Rank 4). It could be Ranks 3, 4, and 5, each; 2 as well after some fashion. All I really see is your assumptions there, and that's not good enough here. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2016 (UTC)