Category talk:Pokémon cards with held items

Category name is conjectural?

So while I was hunting for official names for the Legendary Beasts, I bumped into some set descriptions for some DP sets with this "held items" mechanic. The relevant areas are reproduced below. Bolding is added by me for emphasis.

Mysterious Treasures: " In addition to some great new gameplay options like Pokémon with Berries, new Fossils, and more powerful Pokémon LV.X," "Amazing Pokémon with Berry for more gameplay choices" [1]

Secret Wonders: "This expansion introduces "items" for the first time. Items are part of the Pokémon’s card, giving that Pokémon a unique distinction. Murkrow's (95/132) Dusk Stone allows it to immediately evolve into Honchkrow (132/132) during any of your turns—including the very first turn of the game! So, what other Pokémon have items? Find out in booster packs of Secret Wonders!" [2]

So, are we technically incorrect in calling all of these "held items" when official text says "item" or "Berry"? (No, there isn't confusion with Item cards here, those only get introduced three series later, and were never in the same set as this mechanic.) Should we instead call this category "Pokémon cards with items"? Should we split off a new category for "Pokémon cards with Berries" since there isn't an umbrella term and Secret Wonders own description insists that "items" are a wholly new concept? Salmancer (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh right, I guess I need a position. Uh, move to "Pokémon cards with items". There seems to be just enough members of each for a split, with Berry either being a subcaetgory of items or both items and berries being a subcategory of something, but I don't care strongly enough to push for it. Items, of course, is broad enough to hold everything. Salmancer (talk) 20:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Update with some timely Pojo articles that appear to parrot official statements. I do not see "held item" anywhere, just "Berry" and "Item". [3] [4] Salmancer (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Compendium weighs in [5]

"Q. Are berry (non-tool) items considered an effect on the Defending Pokemon? What turns them off?

A. It is considered an effect on the Defending Pokemon, but the Item can't be turned off; however, it could be ignored by Feint Attack, Swift, and similar attacks. (Mysterious Treasures FAQ; Aug 23, 2007 PUI Rules Team)"

I'm fully convinced "held item" was just made up, and it should just be moved to "item".Salmancer (talk) 14:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Here's the Secret Wonders rulebook (in Portuguese). It mentions items but not Berries, but I'm not sure if that's because items that aren't Berries were new to that expansion, or if it's because both were new to the DP Series. Hard to tell from the context. --Apopheniac (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Noting that changing the name of this category requires editing {{Cardtext/Held Item}} --Apopheniac (talk) 00:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)