Talk:Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

• What??? Do we seriously need this??? --Theryguy512File:Trozeiani025.gif 20:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

im not going to say its unnessecary, but "Psuedo-legendary" sounds really stupid. so, i think it should either be reworked or deleted. maybe just add to each pokemon's trivia section that they are near legendary or somthing. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 20:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I say reworkedFile:Ani386NMS.gif^Po_keFile:Ani386AMS.gif^ma_ni^acFile:Ani386DMS.gif₁0²♪_♫File:Ani386SMS.gif 20:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Needs moar reworking. I'll add the cleanup sign.. User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig 20:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

what should they be called then? or do yall think the anme is OK? File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 20:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

What'ch ya tryin' to say huh!?File:Ani386NMS.gif^Po_keFile:Ani386AMS.gif^ma_ni^acFile:Ani386DMS.gif₁0²♪_♫File:Ani386SMS.gif 20:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems to me that this would an article if where was a "Competitive Battling Project" thing. I do believe I heard the term "Pseudo-legendary" at least once in some places such as Smogon... File:Ani026MS.gifMudkipchanFile:Ani392MS.gif

I heard it before. But that was when it was refering to the Groudon in jirachi movie

Flygon?

I thought only base 600s were psudeo legendary. Why is flygon here? The Placebo Effect 02:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not too sure either. o__O; User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a three-stage part-dragon type that can only be found in its first form. File:Ani164MS.gifS^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l  02:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

i dont think Flygon should be there, its just not rediculous enough User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 02:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Dragonair?

CAn't you find wild dragonair in more than 1 game? The Placebo Effect 03:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, FRLGRBYDP, But in DP you can find Pokéradar-ed Vibrava. So? File:Ani197MS.gifMidnight CelticFile:Ani148MS.gif 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

the fact of the matter is that Dragonite is def a psuedo-leg. User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 03:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. File:Ani197MS.gifMidnight CelticFile:Ani148MS.gif 03:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Aggron

What about Aggron? File:Ani491MS.gifKPFFile:Ani000MS.gif 04:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Aggron's UU, I believe. UU Pokémon wouldn't be psuedolegendary if they were in UU. :p User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig 04:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

may i ask what UU is? User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it means Under-used, as in List of Pokémon by Tier, which is fan-madeUser:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep, under-used. It's fanmade. As is the term pseudolegendary. User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig 04:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

right, well, Aggron doesnt fit the bill because Lairon can be caught in Victory road, and apparently, thats against the rules...or somthing... User:MAGNEDETH/Sig 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

True.User:Pokemaniac102/Sig 04:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Real definition for psuedo-legendary

Isn't it a BST of 600? The Placebo Effect 13:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Pseudo-legendary --> Powerhouse

It seems to me that everyone who commented on this page, other than Shiny Noctowl, was dumbfounded as to the article's title and definition therein. For pages dealing with fanon terminology, this is a good sign that something has been done wrong; fanon terms are necessarily known to a large number of fans, as opposed to a select few, or in this case - no more than one.

Furthemore, the page (prior to my editing it) included mentions of Pokémon with legendary characteristics, despite their having nothing to do with the suggested definiton of pseudo-legendary. It was also a mere copy-and-paste of the corresponding section on the Legendary page. Now, as for the definition itself, it should be crystal-clear that the powerhouses, as defined by myself, are distinct in their categorization from any other Pokémon (Flygon, for the sake of discussion). Simply put, they are non-legendary Pokémon whose total base stats is 600, which is a great deal higher than Flygon's 520 (see the trivia paragraph for clarification on Slaking). Besides, what makes Flygon any more special than Aggron, Walrein and the 7 fully-evolved, two-typed starters? All of these match the definition used by Shiny Noctowl. I do hope that competitive usage is not the reason, because Swampert and Infernape clearly outweigh Flygon in that regard.

It amazes me that everyone assumed that the definition was acceptable simply because someone had put it forth. Bulbapedia encourages critical thinking and sets virtually no limits on the users' capacity to edit existing pages. Why was I the only one who had the fortitude to replace the previous definition with one that is actually used by the fandom? --Unown Lord 16:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Mudkipchan apparently heard pseudo-legendary on Smogon, and I've heard pseudo-legendary on several websites, so I think it should be moved back. I agree, though, that the definition needed some work. But why remove Flygon? Its stats are slightly lower, but base stats shouldn't be included in the definition. Other than base stats, Flygon is in every way a pseudo-legendary. File:Ani164MS.gifS^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l  13:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)