I very much doubt that Cipher built it. I recall someone saying it was simply a Colosseum used by the miners that worked that far down as form of entertainment. Cheesedude 00:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Folly and Trudly
Can they really be classified as members of Cipher? They were Miror B.'s Peons, which to me means hired henchmen, not full blown Cipher members. It dosen't seem to me that they were in on the overall scheme, just Miror B.'s part of it. Cheesedude 22:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- They're not really competent enough to be Cipher members anyway....then again, neither is Miror B... Diachronos 17:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Trudly and Folly
Hmm...I haven't beat Colosseum. You can battle them after Colosseum, right? Are they still called Miror B. Peons or are they called Cipher peons? Either way, I don't see any other place to put them. There's a place for Snagem members and for Cipher members, but not for Miror B. Peons. And they're working for a Cipher admin, so that basically counts as Cipher. Speaking of which, someone really needs to make pages for them.
Jonah April 16 2007
Good points. I'll have the pages up shortly. I made Skrub's, Agrev's and Biden's pages yesterday. They are called Miror B Peon's the whole game with the exception of Folly being called "Shady Guy" in the first battle with him.
What about the female peons, Reath and Ferma? Cheesedude 23:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I've added links to their pages (Which don't exist yet). Trudly and Folly also appeared in XD. Jonah April 16 2007
Alright, I'll get to it, then. Cheesedude 23:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Umm...I'd like to know...what button put the "contents" table on a page? I guess I'll do Exol, the Hexagon brothers, and Naps. Jonah April 16th 2007
I haven't the slightest idea. Please do though, I've not played XD so I sure can't make their pages. Cheesedude 00:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Was the only Cipher Commander in XD? Also, someone added Exol to the name box with the other members, but Skrub or the others. Cheesedude 17:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
He was the only commander, yes.
Exol was added to the Cipher template, was he? IT'S MY FAULT. (Search for Template:Cipher and edit it if you want to add Skrub.)
Alright, thanks for that. I added Skrub and the 4 Miror B. Peons.
I can't think of any other Cipher members that would be important enough to add. Most of the peons appear once and then pop in for one rematch after beating the game....
I'm about to beat another playthrough. I've been recording the Pokémon every Shadow trainer has in all the battles with them. I'll have the complete lists for Ferma, Reath and any others we decide to put it. Cheesedude 22:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Expansion of Cipher
Alright. I've completed by playthrough. I have complete teams for each and every trainer that had a Shadow Pokémon and how their teams evolve in rematches.
The most notable ones are the Mystery Troops - Bluno, Verde and Rosso.
The rest of the Cipher Peons are rather unotable but creating a bulk article for them could be an idea.
I think Cail deserves his own article as well.
Most of the other Shadow Trainers are unotable....
So how should we proceed, if we do? Cheesedude 23:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- What about that guy who cosplays you with the Togetic? I never really understood what he was about, but if he's dressing up as you, I assume it must mean something significant. Does he deserve a page? Jonah 10:00, April 24th, 2007 (EST)
Right, Fein. Yeah, a page for him might not be a bad idea, he's essentially the game's last boss. I have his team and have some other facts about him that could put together a decent article.
On another note, the page for Somek, the Mount Battle Master, has been created. Cheesedude 03:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- Somek?...Good. How about Infin and Inity? Have you made a page for the Mystery Troops yet? Or Cail? A bulk article for all the other shadow trainers that aren't Cipher might be good.
You create the articles, I'll modify them. We're a team, aren't we? Let's keep people informed on Orre! Jonah 8:51 PM, 25 April, 2007 (EST)
Not sure who Infin and Inity are....
I'll make pages for Cail, Rosso, Bluno, Verde, Fein and an article for the other Peons tomorrow. I have off from class. I was going to work on them today but I've been strapped with finals and papers due.
That should work fine. It's strange that we're the only two people that seem to be commenting. I saw a few other people edit some articles but no discussion. A team we are.
What do you think of another article for the normal trainers with Shadow Pokémon? I have all of their stuff as well.
Most of them just evolve their Pokémon overtime and replace their Shadow with another Pokémon of the same type. Some actually do change their teams, like the Admins do.
It makes for some strange choices. The Peon with the Shadow Vibrava replaced it with a Quagsire. They're both Ground-types, of course but it seems odd....Cheesedude 01:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- Infin and Inity are the Mt. Battle Masters of Battle Mode, Single and Double battle respectively.
Yes, an article for the normal trainers would be excellent.
Jonah 9:27 PM, April 25th, 2007 (EST)
Oh, ok. Well, I've not played Colosseum Mode yet, to be honest. By the weekend I'll be going for Ho-oh.
I can work on that too. I can just title it "Shadow Pokémon Trainers." and link to the Cipher Peon article when appropiate or another article. Cheesedude 01:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Completed pages for Fein and Cail as well as Secc. I'm debating whether to give Bluno, Verde and Rosso seperate articles or a combined one...Cheesedude
- The Hexagon Brothers have a combined article, but they're sextuplets and are always with each other.
(Off-topic: Does Bitt of the Kids Grid/ONBS have an article yet?) Jonah
I just did a search and no he dosen't. Not sure if he needs one though. He was the kid in the green bandana standing outside Nett's house in The Under, right? He dosen't do anything noteworthy that I can remember.
I'll make seperate articles then.
Did you make an article for Naps? Cheesedude 00:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Bitt is also in XD (In ONBS). Between the two games, he must have done something noteworthy. He deserves an article.
I made an article for Naps some time ago. Jonah 9:00 PM April 26 2007
Next up is the rest of the Cipher Peons with shadows. I'll get to work on it. Thanks for editing all my errors. Cheesedude 03:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Alright, all that's left is Bitt is the other Shadow Trainers. I'll work on the trainers today. Thanks for editing.Cheesedude 16:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I made an article for Thug Zook recently. Bitt needs an article, and so does Area Leader Vander. In addition, an article for Shadow trainers and peons in XD would be nice...I'll try to make one. As for the editing, you're welcome Jonah 9:44 PM (21:44, I think) April 28, 2007 (EST)
I saw Zook's article. I can do Vander's article soon enough. Cheesedude 04:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Vander's article is done. I can make one for Bitt tomorrow but it will be a stub. I'll dig through the emails you get sent in Colosseum, a few may be from him so that could add a bit more info. Cheesedude 01:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you think there will be another game involving Cipher going after a Trio master eg, rayquaza
If on the miniscule chance there's another sequel to Colosseum and XD, it will most likely be focused on a legend, but in the field of "trios", I'd say the four Regis, or the Spacetime Dragons. Gligar 01:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The Dragon Trio and the 4 Regis sound good, but they could also use the Lake Trio. If Arceus ever gets introduced (we've been waiting long enough for him), it would work out kind of like it did in Colosseum (Legendary Dogs & Ho-oh) or XD (Legendary Birds and Lugia). Diachronos 17:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)