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Hi there!

If you know a fix that needs to be made, go right ahead and fix it: this page isn't (or oughtn't be) protected. But if you can't fix it, for example because a protected template is broken, please still report it here! --Eskay 09:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Radar

Ought we made those available by Radar alone be "Ra"? It'd be easy enough to add... TTEchidna 00:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Glow ahead. Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links 00:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the templates need to be changed before we can add stuff like "Ra" for Radar, and we probably need a "W" for Walker. Also, what about swarms in HGSS? They're currently listed as "C" but shouldn't they be "S"? Dragoness 08:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
The swarms have now been marked, thanks. What's a good plan for changing the template? --Eskay 09:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Disponibility for Hoenn and Sinnoh Sound

Put disponibility for Hoenn and Sinnoh Sound, please!--Ash 22:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Huh? I don't follow. I'm pretty sure "disponibility" is availability, but what are Hoenn and Sinnoh Sound? (Was under HGSS heading) --Eskay 09:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps this is what Ash is looking for? It looks like the already existed when I made this post, but shouldn't it have its own icon? --Enervation 03:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Pruned

I've pruned this talk page of resolved issues, as of this timestamp. With thanks to LaprasBoi, ht14, and JDigital, for adding issues which I claim that I've resolved. --Eskay 09:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

If we want an archive page or something, it's certainly possible to restore one from the history. --Eskay 10:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Black and White

Looks like it is possible to catch some, but not all, earlier-generation Pokémon again? So we'll need to extend the templates for the earlier sections to allow input of B&W data. Also a potential opportunity to extend the template functionality as discussed above under Radar. --Eskay

We may want a third column for Dream World availability, if that's stable, per discussion at Template_talk:Availability. --Eskay 20:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Also remember that there's something new besides the Dream World: the PokéShifter . - unsigned comment from EzekielMaple (talkcontribs)
What's the point of having things like Poké Transfer and Pal Park if they aren't used? They seem close enough to trade anyway. Also, what if the Pokémon can be obtained with more than one method. For example, Qwilfish can be obtained in both rippling water (catch) and the Pokémon Dream World.

Adding Pokéwalker info

Since Dream World info is planned to be added, and it is not strictly part of the games, how come there's no mention about adding Pokéwalker info? Blueapple128 04:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't believe that the Pokémon Dream World, the Pokéwalker, and events are truly in-game, so I'm proposing a move to List of Pokémon by availability. --Enervation 03:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Event Pokémon inconsistency

I was under the impression that Ev stood for in-game event (GS Ball, Navel Rock, Flower Garden, etc). However, the chart lists Mewtwo as Ev in Black and White, where there is no in-game event for Mewtwo. Does Ev now stand for any Pokémon obtained in an event download? If so, there's a hell of a lot of editing that needs to be done to the Gen II, Gen III and Gen IV sections to reflect all of the event downloads that were released for them, too (including releases by Toys R US, Gamestop etc).

I don't mind which way it is (although I'd prefer the former). It's just the lack of consistency that's confusing. Pacter 17:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup.

Is it just me, or does it really needs a cleanup? The legend is getting slightly messy. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, and I have some ideas for it:
  • I don't see anyone on the page marked with a P or PS, so we should just get rid of that and denote all transfers with T since it's basically the same thing.
  • Dream World should have it's own column under Generation V, that way we can simply write C, E, and B under it.
  • Snagged Pokemon in Colo/XD could be marked Sn so that it won't be confused with Swarm, or just use C since there's hardly any difference.
  • Since we have Dream Radar marked I think it would also be appropriate to add a W for Pokewalker exclusive Pokemon in the HG/SS columns.
  • The event Pokemon are a mess. I think we should only use Ev to denote the typical Event Pokemon as well as any Pokemon found through an in-game event that is triggered by either an event item or presence of another event Pokemon. I can't even verify many of the Pokemon currently marked, some information simply seems lost to history.
  • I've never found evidence of Mew being released at any event during Generation II so it'd have to be traded from a Generation I game that received it.
So those are just my main issues. If nobody objects, I'll start work on improving it soon. EV Love (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, Mew was distributed here, but you can't see it due to limitations. --Abcboy (talk) 01:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Don't forget to roundy it too. --Abcboy (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
It's bad idea to replace Snagging with C, as C is used for Poké Spot Pokémon. Also deleted Pal Park, as nothing uses it (and aside from event Pokémon, the only that could use that are Regis). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay well I tidied up, fixed a few errors and added Pokéwalker info. I might start on the Dream World column soon since in places such as here it has it's own box with a pink styling, so a column to match that will do. EV Love (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Need help with that? I could add it for you. --Abcboy (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah go ahead, remember to change the Avail template for each gen. EV Love (talk) 18:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Confused about the DW header in table. When it should be C and what about Dream World markings for Pokémon from BWB2W2? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC) PS. For the sake of Distortion World, why Dream World has W and WE? These are for POKÉWALKER. Okay, Ev and EV are one thing, but this? This is obviously wrong. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Everyone found in Dream World is found in the same way, it makes no difference between BW and B2W2. And once we finish updating the column, all the DWs, DWEs and DWBs will be gone. EV Love (talk) 05:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
It does make difference. For instance, you cannot catch Duosion here with original games. You have to connect with sequels. Also Froslass has WE on Dream World, for no reason, it's not visible when editing, only when viewing.Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh okay, I see. Well done. The article looks a lot better now. Any more ideas are welcome. EV Love (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Maybe Pokéwalker header? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC) PS.Okay, I did that for Generation I, planning for other, except some of Pokéwalker mons are exclusive to event-only areas (such as Sightseeing's Torchic) and not sure how to mark these. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Mark them as Ev like the others. And make the column header PW so that it's not so wide. EV Love (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Also, change the in-game event Pokémon to Ev? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I think I like how it is now, leaving the in-game ones as EV and external ones as Ev. Or perhaps to avoid confusion, in-game events could be marked IE or something.EV Love (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Somewhat version-exclusives?

For example, Registeel is only in Black 2, but via Key System communications with White 2, can be obatained in White 2. Regice is vice-versa. Should this fact be included or left as it is? --Abcboy (talk) 10:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Tauros in Dream World

The list doesn't have anything in the Dream World column for Tauros even though they can be caught there. I'm not sure what letter to put in, so can someone else correct this? Pokemega32 (talk) 05:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Riolu also. Pokemega32 (talk) 05:32, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

A few propositions

This article is getting quite complicated and hard to follow, and some parts don't quite make logical sense. I came up with a few suggestions on how to improve the article, but some of them are a little drastic so I wanted everyone else's input before I made any edits:
1) Handling Event Pokémon:

  • Looking at the article right now, it says that Ivysaur in GSC can be obtained by evolving an event Bulbasaur. This is quite hard to imagine; GSC events are notoriously hard to get and not thoroughly documented. It is much more likely for one to get Ivysaur simply by trading from RBY.
  • Raichu from Yellow is even crazier; its obtaining method is listed as obtaining an event Surfing Pikachu and then evolving it by Thunderstone (since it doesn't have the starter Pikachu's ID number). The number of people on Earth who have done this probably can be counted on one hand, if that.
  • There is a lot of cluttering involving the labels "EV", "Ev", "EvE", "EvB", etc. Is this necessary?
  • I propose that a single label, "EV", be used to denote event-exclusive Pokémon, and nothing else. Do we really need a precise distinction between direct distribution (ex. Keldeo) and in-game event (ex. Newmoon Island)?
  • Under this label, only those Pokémon unnecessary to obtain the Diploma would ever receive the "EV" label. There might be a few exceptions for corner cases like Ho-oh, Lugia, Phione, Zorua, and Zoroark, but all other Pokemon should be listed under "T" if they are not normally obtainable in that game. For example, what's more likely: getting a Bulbasaur in Gen V through an event, or getting it by trading one from HGSS?

2) Handling the Pokéwalker and Dream World columns:

  • Much of these columns don't make sense. They are not games in the same sense as the main series or Colo/XD, and the idea of trading or evolving Pokémon within them doesn't seem right.
  • I propose that these columns are completely removed, and their contents merged with the main series columns.
  • Pokéwalker-exclusive Pokémon should be given "Pw", "PwE", or "PwB".
  • To perhaps merge some labels, both Dream World and Dream Radar-exclusive Pokémon should be given "Dr", "DrE", or "DrB", with "Dr" standing for "Dream". Again, these are for Pokémon exclusive to the side game, and should not be used if the Pokémon is obtainable normally.

That second one might be controversial, and I'm definitely open to other opinions. How does this sound? Blueapple128 (talk) 04:47, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you with the Event Pokémon part: this change would be very useful for whose want to get the Diploma, p.e. IMHO only events-EXCLUSIVE pokémon should be marked as Ev/EV/EVB ecc ecc. Do we need someone's authorization to work on this change? Fosco Corazza 13:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)