Talk:Bulletproof (Ability)
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"Immune"?
I assume "immune" just means "takes no damage"? If so, it'd be good to say that instead of "immune". Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
- immune or unaffected is a better fit. if you say takes no damage from the attack it doesn't cover any effects those moves may have (quick example, it is immune to sludge bomb and it's effects rather than taking no damage from sludge bomb but possibly getting poisoned) --Needude72 (talk) 13:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- My problem was/is that "immune" sounds like maybe those moves can't even be used. (In other words, the exact meaning of "immune" isn't really clear.) "Unaffected" or (as is currently on the page) "not affected" are definitely better than "immune". Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know of ANY definition of immune that would indicate that the Pokemon who had those moves would be prevented from using those moves on Pokemon that didn't have bulletproof but there was a Pokemon that did have bulletproof on the field (double/triple battles). The only thing I know about immune is that the Pokemon itself cannot be affected by those attacks if it has Bulletproof. I don't know how it makes sense that the moves can't even be used, because that's not what immune means. Immune means unaffected as in by something, not that it would be incapable of doing something. Immune wouldn't mean that if Chespin had seed bomb it couldn't use it against a different Pokemon that doesn't have bulletproof. Bulletproof is about affecting the "holder's" defense and affecting the opponent's offense, but not the other way. Nor does bulletproof as far am I aware redirect attacks to it, which is also has nothing to do with being immune. --Dman dustin (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- When I said "can't (even) be used", I meant "against the Pokemon with Bulletproof".
- The problem is, while "unaffected" directly implies a clear cause and effect (the move is used and the result is "no effect"), "immune" (all by itself) does not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- Then I need clarification purposes, because in what way could a Pokemon be immune to a move and it does not have a clear cause and effect and requires the "unaffected" wording? Because I'm confused as to how "immune" isn't good enough, I mean it's no big deal, but it's really confusing. Because Pokemon is a game, and these abilities are programmed, I can't imagine a difference of programming from something immune and something unaffected. I can't see how a game would be programmed that a move couldn't be used against something that is immune, as in preventing the opposing player from selecting the move to be used. Logically I can't imagine seeing it work since even in terms of non programming, I can't imagine in a world in a real life setting where a Pokemon "immune" to flamethrower would prevent a Pokemon using flamethrower on the Pokemon with immunity. --Dman dustin (talk) 13:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know of ANY definition of immune that would indicate that the Pokemon who had those moves would be prevented from using those moves on Pokemon that didn't have bulletproof but there was a Pokemon that did have bulletproof on the field (double/triple battles). The only thing I know about immune is that the Pokemon itself cannot be affected by those attacks if it has Bulletproof. I don't know how it makes sense that the moves can't even be used, because that's not what immune means. Immune means unaffected as in by something, not that it would be incapable of doing something. Immune wouldn't mean that if Chespin had seed bomb it couldn't use it against a different Pokemon that doesn't have bulletproof. Bulletproof is about affecting the "holder's" defense and affecting the opponent's offense, but not the other way. Nor does bulletproof as far am I aware redirect attacks to it, which is also has nothing to do with being immune. --Dman dustin (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
- My problem was/is that "immune" sounds like maybe those moves can't even be used. (In other words, the exact meaning of "immune" isn't really clear.) "Unaffected" or (as is currently on the page) "not affected" are definitely better than "immune". Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
