Bulbapedia talk:Project Merchandise

Proposal

I realise this project is highly inactive, and I personally don't have the knowledge to advance it BUT it would make sense to rebrand it as "Project Merchandise" because some stuff is out on a limb here. Are there going to be any overwhelming "no"'s? Or perhaps you have a better idea. I want to hear it. —darklordtrom 20:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was sorta thinking the same thing the other day. Not quite all of the random merchandise is quite considered "toys"... like the board games 'n' stuff. I'm not on this project either (:P) but I would support a name change. ZestyCactus 21:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, this is more inactive than the Project itself. Let's just get on with it.

Oh, and this is going to incorporate the wannabe-Project Books. So all you bibliophiles get on over here ;) —darklordtrom 21:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering, are stubs supposed to get the Project Merchandise notice? Turtwig A Contributions Talk 21:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. They're still articles under the Project. —darklordtrom 22:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Champion Island

Is there any need for an article on the Pokémon Champion Island Board Game?--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Check we don't have it first; there are a few articles on board games already but I'm not sure if we have that specific one. —darklordtrom 03:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything on it...--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Go for it then. —darklordtrom 03:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Books

Should appearances in books like Talent Showdown and Race to Danger be included in the Pokémon's pages. I'm asking this because Gary had a Blastoise, Charizard, and Venusaur in Talent Showdown which was well before The Ties That Bind. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 00:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

That might be worth a trivia note. Like "In the chapter book Race to Danger, an original story based on the anime, Gary was shown as having a Venusaur etc" ZestyCactus 01:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, he also had a Rhydon, an Exeggutor, and an Alakazam.-- Iron ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 01:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

We could just put on the Talent Showdown article and the Race to Danger article. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 01:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

To-do list

Is it okay if I merge the two to-do lists together into "Bulbapedia:Project Merchandise/to-do list" so things that fall under this project that aren't toys or books can be included? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Steph's Somewhat Awkwardly-formatted Question

I have (or have available to me) several Pokémon Reader books. They are small, big-colorful-picture-laden books that are not quite chapter books and are published by Scholastic and adapted by Tracey West. As far as I know of, there are not articles for them or even a list of their titles. Should one be made or is there a list provided that I may have missed? Additionally, I am aware that my 'signature' or similar concept is in incorrect formatting. User: Steph, November 16

For your signature, just put this:~~~~. For those books, are they like this or this? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Turtwig A. You are helpful and I am rather grateful to you for extensively editing my first (if rather lengthy, which I do not know if it is a good or bad thing) article, an animé synopsis. Returning back on topic, well, no. Neither of them are like those---I know, for I have a collection of the series, including those particular titles. There are actually several Pokemon Reader books (or should I say booklets, for length?), and I happen to possess--oh, perhaps three. There are actually other titles, Diamond and Pearl ones, released by Scholastic (via school order) recently. Since they are a fairly prominent (if somewhat obscure) piece of literature merchandise, it would make sense to make an article about them. As for my other book, The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide (Book 2), I think it is a one-off. Oddly, the sub-title on the front page says 'Viz Kids edition', and I am somewhat surprised as I thought Viz had jettisoned Pokémon. Steph 03:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

There is an article on The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide series. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was just about to address that matter, seeing that the article was already there, but you do type quickly. Is any further information needed for that article, such as a blurb, or can we presume that it is complete? Additionally, some of the statements in the entries in the book are not verified by game Pokédex entries or other media, such as the statement that Infernape's flames cannot be extinguished as long as it is alive. Is it correct to presume that the information presented is suitable for inclusion into species pages, or is it not official enough to do so? - unsigned comment from Steph (talk • contribs)

The article is far from complete. It would be great if you would add a blurb and also put that information on that page. Though I can't say if it can go on the species page as that is a question for the admins. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I have added the blurb and trivia (honestly? Swampert, at a measly 14.3 pounds, can tow a large ship? It could hardly tow a canoe like that!). I shall further analyze the entries in it to determine if the information actually differs much beyond rewording to dignify consulting the administrators.Steph 04:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Should

the episodes which books are based on be in the episode articles? Like on the EP001 page, we would put "The book I Choose You! is based on this episode. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that would make sense, as long as it is in a streamlined manner. Perhaps in the Trivia Section (at the bottom of the section of the episode) it could be listed that a book involves its events. Steph 01:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly where I think we should put it. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

If you haven't done that yet, go for it. (Also, Steph: you can indent your comment by putting a colon (:) in front of it. That makes it easier to read, so please do it) —darklordtrom 06:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

How about this? To not make this comment completely pointless, I will state that I shall try adding a link to the episode page to the book page, if not done so alrady. Also, I have recently been working on making the Synopsis to Prize Pokémon. As I take a long time to make synopsises, I am only on the Grin to Win portion currently. No wonder synopsises are lacking on Bulbapedia, they are long, tedious, and not nearly as fun to type as other kinds of edits and contributions. - unsigned comment from Steph (talk • contribs)

You could always put {{Inuse}} on it and make several edits. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering, should it be on pages which have the same name as the book too? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Example? —darklordtrom 10:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Island of the Giant Pokémon. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 12:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm still not entirely sure what you mean. I think that, yes, it should be said on the EP017 article that "a section of the book Island of the Giant Pokémon was based on this episode." If you're asking if we should note that the two texts share the same name, then that's fairly obvious, isn't it? —darklordtrom 09:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon playing cards

should there be an article on the Pokémon playing cards? They are different from the Trading Cards and I think there are only cards for Generation I Pokémon. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 00:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, there are three decks that I know of, one red, one blue, and one green. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Such a typical colorscheme. Go for it. —darklordtrom 21:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

OMG there's a green one too? XD I have the blue and red ones, I can help with an article. Has one even been made yet? ZestyCactus 03:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I made one here. And yes, there is a green one. It is the one which has Mewtwo. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

New article

I've started a new article, Pokémon annual. Any help with improving it would be greatly appreciated! Taromon 12:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Sticker Collection

should the Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Sticker Collection (ISBN 0-7566-3517-9) get an article? It has categorizes Pokémon according to their type, and also tells what the types are strong and weak against. The book also tells the Pokémon's height and weight. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Should it? - unsigned comment from Turtwig A (talk • contribs)

New rule for this project: if in doubt, create the page anyway. If it can be determined afterwards to be non-notable, then we'll delete it. —darklordtrom 20:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Board games

would board games fall under the toys to-do list? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep. —darklordtrom 08:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

creating new article

I know that the message said that if in doubt, I should create the page anyway. But since this is a very special case, should Pokémon merchandise itself get an article? It seems very notable, as that's what the game cartridges, TCG cards, and TFG figures basically fall under (I mean that they are types of merchandise). I've started something in this userpage, if anyone's interested. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes!!! There is not enough info on this. I would really like to see more. Your article on your page is good to!! Mudkipluvr4ever 03:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Amazing job, Turtwig A (and those who collaborated). I've moved it to the mainspace. Keep working on it though. Now that's it's mainspaced more people should see it and help. —darklordtrom 06:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Upcoming HG/SS Game Guides

One thing I would like to inform this project about in regards to the game guides for HeartGold and SoulSilver is that Prima Games will be releasing two guides in the same fashion as they had with Diamond and Pearl. Pretty much just like before it will be the general walkthrough followed with the book containing the individual Pokémon details. Also I should point out is that that I confirmed these facts with both the official website and Amazon where here are the official links for Book 1 and Book 2 and note the second book will be released on April 20th. Only the official cover for the first book is available at their website. -Tyler53841 02:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

inconsistency

Steph has recently noticed the inconsistency between the opening paragraphs of the book articles. There are around 5 different phrases for each one, so which one should be used? I Choose You!, Splashdown in Cerulean City and Ash Ketchum, Pokémon Detective are some examples of these differences. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of books, Turtwig A has also noted that authors should have their own category, considering that, since there is eleven of them, they would compose almost half of the people category. Steph 18:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll get on the category ASAP. There's enough authors that it wouldn't be redundant. I also agree that the book opening blurb is really inconsistent, there's practically one for each editor. I personally like the Ash Ketchum, Pokémon Detective blurb best. --ZestyCactus 02:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Should a vote be taken? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, what about the notability rules of authors or publishers? I think that authors should get an article if they've written more than 2 books. I think publishers that published more than 4 books should get an article. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 03:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I would agree with you, Turtwig A. Additionally, perhaps a standard for author pages should be made? (Intro-Bibliography-Tags, at the least) I have added Bibliography sections to Author articles--as to be more official, like the well-developed author article for Tracey West--so, I was wondering if an official standard for author pages should be made, if needed. Then again, as Tracey West's article is exemplary, this could be used as a standard, but I was wondering about the proper way to format those articles.

Also, since page number seems to be relevant, should the inclusion of a book's page number be limited only to the Pokémon anime novelization series, or should it be included to other series as well? (such as Pokémon Reader and Pokémon Jr.) Steph 03:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, let's take all of this step by step. Let's vote on how a book article should be opened. 1, 2, or 3. I'll have my vote later--haven't decided which one I prefer yet. It's now midnight for me, so the vote is officially open until midnight tomorrow. Virtual-Z 03:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I think I shall vote for opening 1 (the one for I Choose You!) as I think it is the most comparatively fluid approach (it uses a comma) to the information. Were we meant to take votes on this page, or otherwise? Steph 03:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

There is also a 4. I'll vote for 2. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 13:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Steph, this page. Also, yeah, include #4 in the vote. #2 would be my vote, but I think the last two sentences should be combined. Virtual-Z 19:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I like #4 the best, personally. --ZestyCactus 19:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the Splashdown one. #2. CuboneKing 23:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I vote for #2, but we'll combine the last two sentences. To make it flow better. Virtual-Z 01:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

1. 2 wins in a fair vote. Is everyone fine with combining the last two sentences? Virtual-Z 04:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I would be fine with combining the last two sentences---commas are admirable (the reason for my original vote, as my vote's paragraph possessed commas---I was not aware there were apparently alternatives to add commas there).

As for the To-do List, book-wise, for Project Merchandise: Should the inclusion of a book's page number be limited only to the Pokémon anime novelization series, or should it be included in other series as well? Although the answer will probably be yes, should it be limited to (this is using some disembodied logic here...) fiction Pokémon books? (Chapter books) Steph 04:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I think that every book, fiction or not, should have the page count included in its article. Virtual-Z 20:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Should there be a vote, or can it be presumed that your opinion has decided the matter and I should thus work on adding page counts? Steph 21:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

(resetting indent) I believe it is relevant. Let's say that one wants to read a short Pokémon book. They look at the article of book Y and see that it is X pages long, which is shorter than the rest. They now know that that is the book they want to read. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 21:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's three who want it. That's enough for me to give it the green light. Virtual-Z 21:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Who is going to change them now that it has been decided? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I shall try adding page counts to the articles for the books in my possession. Zesty Cactus may also be able to help. (for the first non-anime novelization series book I have added a page count to, check The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide) Steph 23:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Since no one answered, I'll go do it myself soon. Anyways, what will the next step be? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I can add page counts to some of the randomer books that I've added. As for what's next, Mudkipluvr4ever pointed out that the blurb is before the summary in some chapter book articles and after the summary in others. So we should pick one and stick with it. ^^' I vote for "before summary", idk what you folks think. --ZestyCactus 23:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Danone Pokémon Cards

Anyone Canadian here ever seen those Pokémon cards distributed with Danone yogurt products back in 2000? They were a set of 40, and it featured some Pokémon and with tips on the back for Pokémon Stadium. I just recently dug up a collection of those cards, although I don't have all of them. Would this warrant an article, as I'm not sure if this counts as "merchandise". I could scan the cards I have if so. Also, this website has the full collection if no has an idea of what I'm talking about: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon-paradijs.com%2Fverzamelkaarten%2Fdanone.php&sl=nl&tl=en —♥ Jello 22:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it is notable. It would probably fall under merchandise as the other Pokémon things packaged with food are in the project. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they're fine for an article. I'd much rather you scan them rather than use images from another site. All of them would be great, or you can do just a few or one. Virtual-Z 22:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I have those! Anyways, we have Pokémon Game Tip Cards (Black Diamond) and Pokémon Game Tip Cards (Kellogg) so I don't see why not. I can help out with some scans as well if anyone wants me to, 'cuz I have maybe 10 of these? :D --ZestyCactus 23:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

That's great, I also have only 10 of the cards in the collection (Danone #s): 2, 3, 6, 11, 12, 14, 25, 29, 32, 33. I could probably scan these in, probably in the next few days. As for the article, there's some information I don't have so I could use help with that too. —♥ Jello 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Cool, just start up an article somewhere (stub or userspace) and I can throw in my $0.02 as well. --ZestyCactus 02:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Here you go: User:Jello/Sandbox/Danone_Pokemon_Tip_Cards Thank you! —♥ Jello 03:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

K I added what I've got and expanded your blurb a little. :) One other thing though - I have two shiny cards that are different and have numbers "1/8" (Venusaur) and "7/8" (Pikachu). What do we do about those? Make a seperate chart? Do we have any idea what the other six are? --ZestyCactus 03:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah those "special" cards could probably use a separate chart. The website I listed in the References has the full list, including the extra 8. If you're uploading them, you should probably name them a little differently, "Danone Shiny ___.jpg" or something like that. —♥ Jello 04:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

All-Stars

I've had this for a while. However, I need a way to integrate the box art and release dates in there. I have all of the images on my computer already, as well as the release dates. Any ideas? Virtual-Z 04:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Jeez, it got made?? All my work...-_-' Virtual-Z 04:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

It was featured on the main page as a "currently needed article" and some guy made like, a one sentence article so I made my own because I had no idea you had started yours first. :S sorry? XD --ZestyCactus 06:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Haha, it's no problem of course. I saw it there on the front page all the time, and I was always worried that someone WOULD make it. Sure enough they did! Virtual-Z 15:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)