Talk:Nacli (Pokémon)

Origin

Force Fire, I know you said "no copyrighted stuff", but keep in mind that Pokémon and Mario are both owned by Nintendo, so it is possible that Nacli's design could have been inspired by the Super Mushroom from the Mario franchise. Nintendo games reference other Nintendo franchises quite a lot. Buzzfan120 (talk) 07:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the issue with Nacli currently is, but we DID state in Pokémon Egg's article that its design could have been inspired by Yoshi games. I don't see why one can be stated, while another cannot. Kikugi (talk) 07:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, one of the Yoshi Egg's earliest appearances was in a Yoshi game that was also developed by Game Freak. Buzzfan120 (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Waverunner56 (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC) (I accidentally put my signature in twice, and it will not allow me to remove it, please remove this signature)

Long time user of this wiki, first time poster adding to this discussion. I do understand the enforcement of the "no copyrighted stuff" rule on most articles, as allowing every little potential reference can muddy up the Origin section on almost every article. In this case of Nacli, and Naclstack/Garganacl, I do feel the references to Mario and Minecraft respectively are clearly noticeable in their designs. I believe a similar approach should be taken to Lokix, where the reference to Kamen Rider was noticeable enough to mention in a general way. For example: "Nacli's design appears to resemble a Super Mushroom from the Super Mario franchise." and "Naclstack appears to resemble the blocky artstyle of the Minecraft franchise."

In addition, I think it is important to remember that references to other media are not unheard of in the Pokémon Franchise. Tiny_Mushroom/Big_Mushroom have been staple items for the series since Generation II, and Rotom_(Pokémon), one of the flagship Pokémon of the series, is based on one of Gamefreak's earlier games Pulseman.

Waverunner56 (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

While I do see the Super Mushroom resemblance with Nacli, I'm at a loss with Garganacl. If anything, Naclstack would be more like a Minecraft mob, but even then, I'm not sure. Masatoshi talk 16:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Nacli only resembles the Super Mushroom consequence of both being mushrooms. Just because A and B are based off the same thing, doesn't mean A is based off B. The big/small mushroom article makes no mention of the Super Mushroom, and again would not be based off if it. They're mushrooms, so mushroom is the base origin. The Pulseman bit for Rotom is fine as Pulseman is a property of Game Freak. Game Freak is not going to get in trouble from itself.

As for the Minecraft origin, the only connection is the blocky appearance. Origins needs more than one thing connecting it to the source. The only mob I can see stack being similar to is the pig, but that doesn't mean it's based off thr Minecraft pig, becuase again, A and B sharing an origin doesn't mean A is based off B. For Garganacl, its blocky appearance is the only thing going for it. Sure, it looks like the Iron Golem, but once again, consequence of both being golems.

As for the while copyright thing, I should reiterate and say that I specifically said copyright characters, as in specific individuals. It's okay to say something is a reference to a genre or a franchise, but not a specific character.--ForceFire 17:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, to be fair, the Super Mushroom is an item, not a character. Nacli has a similar design, and again, it's another Nintendo property. Nintendo isn't going to get in trouble for referencing another one of their properties. They do it all the time. Look at the Super Mushroom, and then look at Nacli, and you'll see that their shapes are similar, their eyes are similar...there's no way Nintendo couldn't have been referencing itself. Anyway, I still don't understand why we can't mention this, even if it is another Nintendo property. Just wondering. Buzzfan120 (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Snails?

I'm looking at Nacli, and it sort of looks like a snail. Could this be another possible origin? Power-Point Panpour (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)