Talk:Honey

TO DO

Reorganize the Honey Trees in the proper order. Floro is last, Valley Windworks is 4th from last. I will get the rest later. Sabresite 02:23, 26 Feburary 2009 (UTC)

One little problem...

The English language version calls it honey, can this be edited?Gatogirl This has been taken care of. Sabresite 01:51, 26 Feburary 2009 (UTC)

Duration and Other Pokemon

Some information is incorrect. It does not take exactly ten hours before a Pokemon appears. I have periods of time shorter than this (approx 8 hours) and much longer (although I am not sure how much longer). It may also be of some use to record which other Pokemon can appear on the trees. i.e. Wurmple and one of those cocoon Pokemon. Dark2th 08:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I have just found a Pokemon in a tree that I slathered with honey 4 hours ago. So the time is definitely not 10. I have also discovered what may or may not be a glitch. After slathering a tree with honey it is possible to slather it with honey again, but it seems to remove the first slathering of honey. For example, the text box will say - "The bark is slathered with honey, slather the bark with honey?" Check the tree again - "There is a sweet smell in the air, slather the bark with honey?" Has anyone else experienced this? Dark2th 08:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Silcoon is the 'cocoon pokemon' I referred to earlier Dark2th 07:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The duration is exactly 12 hours to 23 hours 59 minutes. Sabresite 01:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Rarity

According to the game files, the pokemon are arranged in a table. The table for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum have been posted. The rarity is based on a PRNG algorithm and applied to this table. I also put up the frequency of each combination. To calculate rarity for a pokemon, such as Wurmple, in Diamond/Pearl, you would do the following

( 0.05 × 0.10 ) + ( 0.40 * 0.70 ) = 0.285 or 28.5% Sabresite 01:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time trusting these calculations. There is absolutely no way that Munchlax's encounter rate is 20%. I've spent the past few days on Pokémon Platinum slathering Honey on the same five trees and not once have I encountered a Munchlax, and I've only encountered Heracross and Aipom once each. Danieru Lynx 07:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, here is a link to the thumb code responsible for these probabilities. [1] If you can find an error in the calculation, please point it out. 021F4F2A- 021F4F42 determine which list the pokemon comes out of and 021F4F60-021F4F96 which pokemon out of that list. SCV 26 February 2009

It seems that under certain circumstances a new list number is not obtained, this definitely affects the probability. I will try to determine what causes that to happen. This effect happens per tree. SCV 27 Febreuary 2009 16:10:50 (UTC)

I figured out the discrepancy between observations and the previous calculation. There was another probability we were missing and it is that the list only changes 10% of the time. So for most people they only have a 2% chance of encountering muchlax. SCV 14:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

So if you get a tree that does not have a Munchlax, there is a 10% chance that the list will change, and of that 10% chance, a 20% chance that it will be Munchlax. How would we construct the statistical analysis so that we can get an overall percentage of occurance for each pokemon? Sabresite 18:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Because of the nature of how the calculation works, 4 separate lists must be used. I have posted the encounter rates for each scenario. Sabresite 19:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Bulbaglitch.

Okay, YouTube. Proof. Give it. TTEchidna 01:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

When I have time, I will produce the glitch and make a video. The easiest way to produce it is to save the game using an emulator. Go to locations 0x730C in the save file, (Route 209 Honey Tree), and 0x4730C and change the value to 0x20. Make sure you slathered something on the tree first. Changing the value tells the game to retrieve row 32 in the table, which is beyond the length of the table. The data in that location is 01, making the pokemon Bulbasaur. Sabresite 02:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Well that's kinda. Hacking. Is there any way to force it for the actual game? TTEchidna 02:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It is difficult to explain. I will remove it from the article until I have time to explain it in future detail. Sabresite 03:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Multiple People Editing At Once

I apologize for reverting some formatting errors, Bulbapedia's site is very slow and choppy. Quite frequently I get a page down error and must repaste what I typed, which then overwrites what other people are changing. Sorry. Sabresite 02:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It does that sometimes. TTEchidna 02:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)