User talk:Abcboy/sandbox/NewBerry

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Hey, Bulbapedians! What do you think of it? Sound off in the comment section below!


Like it

  • I greatly prefer this to the current layout. The current infobox is way too big. --SnorlaxMonster 05:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
  • After looking at it, I think that this does look alright. The Infobox could contain a bit of info on a common use and the appearance of the Locations table doesn't seem to sit right, but everything else looks good. --Super goku (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
  • I like this a lot better than the current layout. It's more consistant. レシイラムtalk 03:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I LOVE IT. It's a heck of a lot nicer and less crowded than the current one. Porygon-man (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Hate it

The current one is fine


It looks pretty good, but using a template for Locations seems a bit... much... also, the Generation III-exclusive Berries don't seem to have in-game sprites so the bag description template needs to reflect that. Perhaps a sentence saying how Fling does 10 damage with whatever Berry could be mentioned. Finally, I'm not sure if it was checked as well, don't forget about Chilan Berry... there is a Generation III and Generation IV/V variant. ht14 05:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Also, "forcibly consumed"? That's just odd wording... ht14 05:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
You do realize all that stuff is already on the actual article, right? I just copied and pasted. --Abcboy (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Shortly after I typed this up, I noticed that the Locations template exists. I'm still saying I don't like it (so that's not targeted toward you; it's been a while since I've looked at the Berry articles). As for Fling and "forcibly consumed" on the Pecha Berry article, that's not mentioned at all. All that is mentioned for "in-battle" use is this:
"A Pecha Berry, if held by a Pokémon, can instantly cure it of poison, or it can be used as an item to cure poison.
"When used in conjunction with Natural Gift, a Pecha Berry will take on the Electric-type with a power of 60." I don't want to sound technical... but as I said, none of that information was mentioned. ht14 16:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
SnorlaxMonster edited that, actually. Here it is. --Abcboy (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that's the most accurate description of the way it is used under those circumstances. --SnorlaxMonster 01:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I apologize if there was a misunderstanding; I'm just noting what I observe. I would say that consumed by itself is better... Fling and Item Urge I could see for "forcibly consumed," but not Bug Bite or Pluck... ht14 04:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, the point is that the Berry is usually only eaten at a certain time; Pluck and Bug Bite force it to be eaten at that instant rather than triggering when it normally would. --SnorlaxMonster 04:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
... I just don't like "forcibly." ht14 05:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd kind of like a bit of a blend of this and the current layout. Rather than try to explain myself with just words, do you mind if I copy your tables and adjust them to show you the kind of layout I'm thinking of on a user page of my own? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:41, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

My suggestions

Alright, I made User:Tiddlywinks/NewBerryPlus. Let me go through the basic modifications starting from the top.

  • Nav: The Berry pages definitely (IMO) need a navbar at the top. I tried integrating it into the sidebar, but I didn't know how to make that work in a way I'd like. You should create a copy of the Template:berryPrevNext too and customize its colors. Or rather, you may want to copy the table code from the top of my page, since berryPrevNext has a minor error when it shows two Berries on the right, which I fixed on my page (even though it doesn't show).
  • The sidebar: IMO, all the basic, otherwise generally irrelevant info can sit on the side rather than making the page longer in their own sections (like the tag/bag descriptions do the way you have them). The only thing is, the Natural Gift power doesn't really fit in that rationale (so I just removed it; it's just fine only being stated lower on the page, really).
    • RSE/FRLG and DPPt/HGSS: giving those games their own cells doesn't work for me (perhaps because the other gens don't have any games similarly listed). I tried to play with it, but in the end, I thought the best solution was just to place them at the beginning of the description.
  • Growth: I had two main goals. I wanted to place the generation on the left, and I wanted the yield to be a highlight, rather than just the last little bit of text at the end of a growth summary. After iterating a while, I arrived at this. IMO that growth summary text is just repeating the "images". Maybe some commentary could be added above the table, but I don't think it's necessary within it.
  • ...Everything below growth is pretty cool. (I thought about including it, but when I saw it added categories to my page, I decided not to.)

I acknowledge room for improvement in some of what I put together, but I basically like that form.

One other thing: your growth template will only do Pecha as you're using it currently. You never used the "name" parameter you're sending it; you used {{{1}}} for that instead.

In short, I like the new color scheme, I like the idea to pare down the sidebar (although I think you went farther than necessary), and I like how you made the Growth (and Harvest) section more visual now. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

My issue with putting the other descriptions in there is there would be five pictures of the same Berry in the infobox. One of the reasons I separated those is so that each of the images has a place, and all of them are shown. Also, I don't particularly like sentences in an infobox; to me, it makes it look more cluttered.
Bag descriptions in yours are okay, but it's practically the same as the current way we do it. Changing the generation to the games themselves might work better; I'll have to see.
Yield: get rid of the word Berries from each and it would be fine. --Abcboy (talk) 04:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Minor request

This is either for Abcboy or Tiddlywinks. We'll need to incorporate a "color" section in the template as well, since there's a means of organizing the Berries by color in ORAS. ht14 17:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Would it be best to put that in the main infobox, adding it to the Berry Blending box, or in a separate section like Poffin Cooking? --Abcboy (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I would say like Berry Blending, but if it gets incorporated into other things, especially in future games, then in the main infobox for sure. ht14 22:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Growth template text

The text, "A [X] Berry will mature from a planted seed to a full-grown, fruit-bearing plant in [Y] hours, with [Z] hours per stage.", is not serving a good purpose in the growth table. If anything, it serves a bad purpose...

The stages and time already have their own places in the template. Since yield does not, it very much should not be preempted by a reprisal of that other information. That redundant first sentence will only ever be a nuisance. Can we remove it please? Tiddlywinks (talk) 09:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Removed. --Abcboy (talk) 20:20, 14 November 2015 (UTC)