Talk:Regional variant

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Portuguese

You can add "Variante regional" for Brazilian Portuguese on "In other languages" seciton. Muriloricci (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is "Regional variant" an official term?

Is this an official term? I know Alolan Forme is, but is this as well?Trainer Yusuf (talk) 12:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ glikglak 14:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Arbok

Shouldn't Arbok's regional forms be listed here? If I remember correctly, its pattern changes in every region in which it appears. Menace64 (talk) 02:24, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This is a formal thing. If Arbok is not identified as a "regional variant", it's not one.
Also, regional variants are fundamentally pretty significantly different from the rest of their species; they've adapted. Differing patterns is neither significant nor a real adaptation. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Variants Should Have Their Own Pages

I don't think it's fair that Alolan variant Pokemon are only side notes on their "normal variant" pages. These Alolan formes are not like Hoopa Unbound or Arial Shaymin. Those Pokemon eventually find ways of returning to their original formes. These Alolan formes are inherent to the Pokemon, they will never change into their "normal" counterpart. They will have different abilities, different move sets, different typings. I think they merit having their own pages. For example keep the regular Ninetales page, and add another one entitled Ninetales (Alola). - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talkcontribs)

We literally have no information about them except for the appearances, types, and some of their abilities. We don't have enough info to have their own pages, and even if we did, it's still a Vulpix, it's still a Ninetails...they aren't brand new Pokémon altogether. --HoennMaster 06:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
We have seen Alolan Ninetales use Ice Beam, at least. Sky Shaymin would make for a fair base, what with Air Slash exclusivity there. Phineas81707 (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
But people give new Pokemon Bulbapedia entries all the time without knowing what their full set list, abilities, evolution levels, etc. are going to be. Bewear alrealdy has a page, so that argument is kind of moot. In the case of Alolan Variants, every time one has been revealed we've gotten typing and even abilities, so we definitely have enough to start building pages for them and then fill them out completely once we know all the details. And yes it is still a Vulpix and Ninetales, but with a completely different appearance, diifferent abilities, I think that if we keep adding variants to the pages of "normal" Pokemon, it's going to start looking REALLY messy. I mean what if two generations down the line there's a ground typed Ninetales, are we seriously going to have all three versions on the same page? Crowded much? - unsigned comment from Milotic1209 (talkcontribs)
There have already been Pokémon with different forms that had significant differences. They all fit on one page just fine. glikglak 16:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Fine, whatever. It seems most people are ok with everything being on one page. It seems to me that having regional variants of a Pokemon is a pretty momentous thing, that deserves more of a spotlight, but if no one really cares, then I give up. :P Milotic1209 (talk) 16:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
All Pokémon get their own page. That's why Bewear and all the Generation VII Pokémon have pages already. It's a different scenario. --HoennMaster 19:35, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I agree that having new pages for alernate formes is a bit redundant, but for pokemon like Rotom or Arceus that have a lot of different typings or others like Alolan Vulpix that have very different learnset things can get a bit confusing. Is it possible to just hide the "alternative forms" typing matchups and learnset in the same way older generation moveset are hidden (even if it technically means creating a new page, but still not a whole new page for the same Pokémon, so it could be acceptable i think?) Or with some code that just changes the section of the tab that is shown in the article by clicking on the desired choice. This could be particulary useful for things like the weakness and resistance tab of pokemon like rotom or arceus and the pokeathlon stats of Arceus, just listing examples that come to my mind.Verucieru (talk) 13:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Descriptions

What I mean by descriptions is the explanation that the official website uses for how the Pokémon developed these changes. For example, Meowth was a gift to the Alolan royal line from another region, and they developed a spoiled lifestyle, and then the Alolan monarchy fell, leaving the Alolan Meowth to become feral, and then they became normal Pokémon. So, I'm asking if these should go somewhere on Bulbapedia, and if they should, then where? Here, or on the pages for the individual Pokémon? MarioMiner (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

They're on the species pages (or will be added soonish). Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Generation I only

At the moment, I believe there should be something on the page stating that thus far, only Pokemon from Generation I have regional variants. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

No. It'll be just fine to wait for anything like that until the game is out and we know for sure. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
It was confirmed in a recent interview that all Alolan Pokemon are Generation 1 Pokemon because of the 20th Anniversary, I think it's worth noting that now. TrainerSplash (talk)
Which interview was that? Could you link it here? --SnorlaxMonster 01:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
http://time.com/4536438/pokemon-sun-moon-interview/ Mostly it comes from the quote "we have in the Alola region these specific regional variances of existing Pokémon. A lot of players from the original games will see their old favorites, but with new takes." Superjustinbros. (talk) 05:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Alolan Rattata's typing origin for the trivia page

I'm going to post this here since no one is going to look at the Rattata discussion page

In Hawaii, the mongoose was introduced to keep the rat population under control, but the mongoose that they introduced was active during the day. The rat was nocturnal. The mongoose has actually been causing problems for the local bird populations. I first learned about it from an episode of Hawaii 5-0 (Season 4 Episode 2), but here's a little more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species_in_Hawaii#Historical_examples Srushj11 (talk) 03:34, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Mechanics

So, for certain Pokémon where only the evolved form is a regional variant (Exeggutor, Marowak, Raichu), do we know the exact mechanics of how this works? Example - would any Cubone evolve into a Marowak at night in Alola, or only a Cubone originating from the region? Further, (and I understand we won't really know this until there's external future games, but it's something to consider) would a Cubone originating from Alola evolve into a Ghost/Fire Marowak in another game? I thought these questions might be helpful in narrowing down some specifics. Mostly, I got wondering about this because I thought the branched evolutions on Cubone, Exeggcute, and Pikachu's page (and their evolution lines' pages, of course) might benefit from specifying "in Alola" or "from Alola". I understand if I'm overthinking this. Draceon (talk) 05:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've heard from other folks, all such Pokémon that are native to Alola can only evolve into the Alola Form and all those that the game does not recognize as native to Alola (so either transferred from an older game, or hacked to appear transferred from an older game) can only evolve into the standard form. I'm not sure whether this is determined by the black clover or some other method. And I'm just reporting secondhand, for that matter, so I can't confirm for certain. I and/or my source might well have misunderstood the mechanics. Once Pokémon Bank is updated it'll be a lot easier for folks to figure it out for sure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Article naming

So, say if a trainer in the anime catches an alolan form of a pokemon, what would the name of the article be? Example: Ash's Alolan Raticate, or just Ash's Raticate?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 08:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

It would be "Ash's Diglett" etc. if Ash catches an Alolan Diglett etc. Compare Zoey's Gastrodon. (I specifically avoided "Ash's Raticate" because he already owned one, so that might be a bit tricky to deal with.) --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
It's possible we would follow the precedent set by James' second Victreebel. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Trivia

  • Geodude and its evolutionary relatives are the only three-stage evolutionary line to receive Alola forms.

Can we add this trivia? --AwesomeDJPokémon 15:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it's notable. It's clearly evident from glancing casually at the list in the article. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Sinnoh

I think Shellos and Gastrodon's variations technically count as regional variants. What do you think? - unsigned comment from Pescavelho (talkcontribs)

That's more of a coastal difference, since the two forms are only for which side of the region their from, being east and west.Animaltamer712:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
More importantly, it's not canonically identified as a regional variant. Therefore, it's not one. We can't deal in speculation and cruft. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Kanto

At the end of the game, Hau mentions that the player's mom's Meowth is "Kantonian" would this be notable to put anywhere? I was thinking to include it under the Kanto page under it's own trivia section similar to how the Kalos one mentions that the adjective term for Kalos is Kalosian. But knowing how it might just refer to the type of Meowth found in Kanto would it be worth adding here instead? TrainerSplash (talk) 06:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Normal Meowth are definitely not only found in Kanto. And Hau could have just been playing around. Unless that specific term is used a lot more, we probably shouldn't jump on it for an "official" regional form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Breeding Trivia

Is it worth mentioning that a Pokémon that has an Alolan form can pass their Hidden Ability to their Alolan form via breeding? I just bred a Grimer with Poison Touch, and the Egg hatched into an Alolan Grimer with Power of Alchemy. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hidden Abilities (and regular Abilities, for that matter) work off "slots", so this is to be expected. I think it might be worth mentioning on the inheritance section of Ability, but I'm not sure if it's worth noting here, and it certainly wouldn't be appropriate for Trivia. If it goes on this page, it should be worked into the actual main prose of the article somewhere. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

can someone explain this bit?

"if a Pokémon evolves from a species that does not have a regional variant to one that does, then, in Alola, it will always evolve into its Alola Form and cannot evolve into its normal form." I don't understand it --Draph91 (talk) 20:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

An example: Cubone doesn't have an Alolan form, but Marowak does have one. If a Cubone evolves in the Alola region, it will always evolve into Alolan Marowak and not into a regular Marowak. Satsjoe (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

oh I understand now --Draph91 (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Regional Variant vs. Regional Form

Would we have to change/redirect the page's name to reflect the new name for the concept? PDL (talk) 23:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

  • This is good possibility with the new recon name, ultimately we need the admins vote on this matter.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 01:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Personally, I'd rather wait until the game comes out before we move any pages. If in-game they're "regional variants" still, despite the promotional material for the games using "regional form", then we should keep the page at the former. --SnorlaxMonster 10:51, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Regional Evolutions

Shouldn't we have a separate catergory for galarian evolutions - - unsigned comment from Shinx089 (talkcontribs)

Do you mean a category like Pokémon that only evolve in Galar? --SnorlaxMonster 02:50, 21 September 2019 (UTC)