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::Just to let you know, the admin team are looking into this to come up with a solution, so I suggest no further edits for now--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
::Just to let you know, the admin team are looking into this to come up with a solution, so I suggest no further edits for now--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]], Junior Admin Bulbapedia ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Good call. Also i talked about this on the Bulbagarden Discord and someone pointed out that the two entries don't actually inherently contradict each other. That made me realize, in the former entry, Shudo never said he ''didn't'' conceive Lugia; just that the design was made later and he couldn't remember who did it. He could as well just forget he conceived the idea until much later when he realized "Oh yeah i did come up with that, huh". [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Good call. Also i talked about this on the Bulbagarden Discord and someone pointed out that the two entries don't actually inherently contradict each other. That made me realize, in the former entry, Shudo never said he ''didn't'' conceive Lugia; just that the design was made later and he couldn't remember who did it. He could as well just forget he conceived the idea until much later when he realized "Oh yeah i did come up with that, huh". [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Conceiving a Pokémon is very different from designing it. When Atsuko Nishida is given a design order from Tajiri to make a 'cute Pokémon' and comes up with Pikachu, it is not the case that we understand Tajiri to be Pikachu's designer. Shudo's blog entries are vague about what he conceived Lugia of being – and, in fact, where he is specific, that isn't what Lugia was in the end anyways. e.g. he didn't like the name, he didn't like that it wasn't portrayed as more feminine, and so on. It is a stretch to say he conceived of anything at all except "I want a new Pokémon for the movie". --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 19:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
: [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/05_shudo_bn.shtml Here is the index page] for Shudo's blog; all 226 entries of it. I decided to read up on some of the blog posts with ルギア (Lugia) in the title and here's what i found:
: [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/05_shudo_bn.shtml Here is the index page] for Shudo's blog; all 226 entries of it. I decided to read up on some of the blog posts with ルギア (Lugia) in the title and here's what i found:
:* In [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo191.shtml #191] and [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo194.shtml #194], Shudo talks at length about Lugia's gender (the whole "Shudo thinks Lugia should've been female" thing).
:* In [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo191.shtml #191] and [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo194.shtml #194], Shudo talks at length about Lugia's gender (the whole "Shudo thinks Lugia should've been female" thing).
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[[User:Takoyaki|Takoyaki]] ([[User talk:Takoyaki|talk]]) 19:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Takoyaki|Takoyaki]] ([[User talk:Takoyaki|talk]]) 19:12, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:If you can clarify how "created specifically for the use of the movie by myself" could be translated alternatively, it will help out, as that can be read ambiguously in English. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 19:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 
::Conceiving a Pokémon is very different from designing it. When Atsuko Nishida is given a design order from Tajiri to make a 'cute Pokémon' and comes up with Pikachu, it is not the case that we understand Tajiri to be Pikachu's designer. Shudo's blog entries are vague about what he conceived Lugia of being – and, in fact, where he is specific, that isn't what Lugia was in the end anyways. e.g. he didn't like the name, he didn't like that it wasn't portrayed as more feminine, and so on. It is a stretch to say he conceived of anything at all except "I want a new Pokémon for the movie". --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 19:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 
:::If you can clarify how "created specifically for the use of the movie by myself" could be translated alternatively, it will help out, as that can be read ambiguously in English. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 19:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


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Something like, uhmmmm, well I'll break down the sentence:
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