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:I'm not in the United States. I'm in Australia. And please don't misuse talk pages; if you would like to socialize, please use [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC) | :I'm not in the United States. I'm in Australia. And please don't misuse talk pages; if you would like to socialize, please use [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
== The page " | == The page "{{redlink|Unova Pokérap}}" == | ||
The page must be protected to prevent creation because of a speculation crackdown. [[User:Wrrasba|Wrrasba]] ([[User talk:Wrrasba|talk]]) 22:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC) | The page must be protected to prevent creation because of a speculation crackdown. [[User:Wrrasba|Wrrasba]] ([[User talk:Wrrasba|talk]]) 22:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
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::::It would also categorize into ''Category:Templates to be phased out''. Is it a good idea? Also, can you delete | ::::It would also categorize into ''Category:Templates to be phased out''. Is it a good idea? Also, can you delete {{redlink|Template:Habitat}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 15:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::::Oh, I hadn't realized those had been completely delinked (over a year ago I did some delinking on those, but never finished). I'm not going to move gameabbrev3 yet, as it had the same issue sup had: it's a gigantic switch. Porygon2 is already used on DiscussDelete, so I don't think it should be reused; [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Sandbox#Template:Superseded|here's a derivative of it I made]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC) | :::::Oh, I hadn't realized those had been completely delinked (over a year ago I did some delinking on those, but never finished). I'm not going to move gameabbrev3 yet, as it had the same issue sup had: it's a gigantic switch. Porygon2 is already used on DiscussDelete, so I don't think it should be reused; [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Sandbox#Template:Superseded|here's a derivative of it I made]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::::Ah, I saw. Looks nice. Why is there space next to Kris? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC) | ::::::Ah, I saw. Looks nice. Why is there space next to Kris? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
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I had a theory today. If hex B6, B7, B8 in Red and Blue are special forms of Missingno.; then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they are too in Yellow? I tested this out today and I was correct. All three have different sprites than the regular Yellow Missingno., and do ''not'' freeze the game at all, they act like regular Pokémon. [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:YGlitchB6.png This] is the sprite of Yellow hex B6, just to show you. So I'm guessing that this probably is going to require a lot of changes to the page. How should this be layed out?--[[User:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#000000">'''×Rsr'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''daman×'''</span>]] 05:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | I had a theory today. If hex B6, B7, B8 in Red and Blue are special forms of Missingno.; then wouldn't it be logical to assume that they are too in Yellow? I tested this out today and I was correct. All three have different sprites than the regular Yellow Missingno., and do ''not'' freeze the game at all, they act like regular Pokémon. [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:YGlitchB6.png This] is the sprite of Yellow hex B6, just to show you. So I'm guessing that this probably is going to require a lot of changes to the page. How should this be layed out?--[[User:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#000000">'''×Rsr'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''daman×'''</span>]] 05:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, I had heard that the Yellow equivalents of the Ghost/Fossil forms were different from the general Yellow form. Just treat it as an additional form. Perhaps [[Talk: | :Yeah, I had heard that the Yellow equivalents of the Ghost/Fossil forms were different from the general Yellow form. Just treat it as an additional form. Perhaps [[Talk:MissingNo.#Split|something I suggested shortly after joining]] could be done... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
::I like the sound of that. I always thought they should have separate pages... They aren't anything alike. I'll start with the whole split tomorrow and add in the 3 new forms.--[[User:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#000000">'''×Rsr'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''daman×'''</span>]] 06:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | ::I like the sound of that. I always thought they should have separate pages... They aren't anything alike. I'll start with the whole split tomorrow and add in the 3 new forms.--[[User:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#000000">'''×Rsr'''</span>]][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''daman×'''</span>]] 06:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::I think it would be a better idea to keep the primary page up, but also make subpages (like {{redlink|Missingno./YB6}} or {{redlink|Missingno./B6}}). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | :::I think it would be a better idea to keep the primary page up, but also make subpages (like {{redlink|Missingno./YB6}} or {{redlink|Missingno./B6}}). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC) | ||
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:[[User talk:Abcboy/sandbox/BerryTest|A list of Berries by some attributes]]. I don't know what title it will be moved to, but I'm thinking of {{red link|List of Berries by attribute}}. [[User talk:Abcboy/PKSTAR|Is this covered by Project GlitchDex]]? Sure will be useful! [[User:Abcboy/hex2dec|From Wikipedia. Sorta works with yours.]] Do you like? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC) | :[[User talk:Abcboy/sandbox/BerryTest|A list of Berries by some attributes]]. I don't know what title it will be moved to, but I'm thinking of {{red link|List of Berries by attribute}}. [[User talk:Abcboy/PKSTAR|Is this covered by Project GlitchDex]]? Sure will be useful! [[User:Abcboy/hex2dec|From Wikipedia. Sorta works with yours.]] Do you like? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
::I really like your split up infobox; I would suggest breaking off the Ice Cream Scoop data into "Uses" though. Also, I don't think "Flavors" really fits under Tag information and I think it should be moved to either its own section or "Uses". The Pokéstar Studios opponents cannot be encountered via glitch (at least to my knowledge) so they are not covered by Project GlitchDex; they still have relevance to the [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation V)]]. Your hex2dec template seems nce, but I don't know what it is for. I would make it "List of Berries by size" and just make the firmness categories (e.g. Category:Super hard Berries). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC) | ::I really like your split up infobox; I would suggest breaking off the Ice Cream Scoop data into "Uses" though. Also, I don't think "Flavors" really fits under Tag information and I think it should be moved to either its own section or "Uses". The Pokéstar Studios opponents cannot be encountered via glitch (at least to my knowledge) so they are not covered by Project GlitchDex; they still have relevance to the [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation V)]]. Your hex2dec template seems nce, but I don't know what it is for. I would make it "List of Berries by size" and just make the firmness categories (e.g. Category:Super hard Berries). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::Can you edit the current {{template|BerryInfobox}} so it automatically categorizes the Berries into their firmness categories? The only problem is that certain Berries have inconsistent capitalization. (e.g. "Super Hard" instead of "Super hard") --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Both Emerald and Diamond use lowercase ("Super hard"), so that is how it should be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 03:20, 7 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
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We have small inconsistency on that term. {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Seedot}} and {{p|Surskit}} are considered to be version-exclusive (though the last one isn't on species page because it's Emerald versus Ruby and Sapphire), but {{p|Regice}} and {{p|Registeel}} aren't. All five require interaction with another game (mixing records or Unova Link). They're linked normally in availability template, but in version-exclusives only the first three are listed, golems aren't. So, what is what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 09:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC) | We have small inconsistency on that term. {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Seedot}} and {{p|Surskit}} are considered to be version-exclusive (though the last one isn't on species page because it's Emerald versus Ruby and Sapphire), but {{p|Regice}} and {{p|Registeel}} aren't. All five require interaction with another game (mixing records or Unova Link). They're linked normally in availability template, but in version-exclusives only the first three are listed, golems aren't. So, what is what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 09:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
:Based on [[Talk:Game-exclusive Pokémon#Definition of version-exclusive Pokémon|the definition I proposed and wasn't objected to]] two years ago, the golems and Lotad/Seedot/Surskit should be considered version exclusive. I still support this definition. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 06:37, 3 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Experience yields... and errors. == | |||
It might be good idea to update articles and use tt for the old yields (as in these before Gen V)... | |||
And was Abra's yield changed in Gen III for real? Because I've hacked to get a Lv. 100 wild Abra, but the yield is THE same; 1042. By that level, there should be a difference. Formula with old yield gives me 1042,8 (after rounding down it's 1042). With the "new" yield, it would be 1071,4. So seriously, what? There was no change. At all. Ever. Lv. 100 Geodude gives 1228 in both games, which sets its yield at 85,96 (86 in article, so it's right after rounding, though it's rounded up here). The same. No change. The so-called "new" yield would give as much as Abra gives. ._. Machop's 1257 vs 1257 (yield of 88; 75 would give 1071). Still nothing. Now Omanyte and Kabuto, which weren't tested. Omanyte 1714 vs 1714, putting yield at NOT 99 (since that would give 1414), but 119,98. Kabuto? 1700, no change, putting yield at exactly 119, instead of the 99. I seriously ask - was the person doing this halfasleep or something? (tested on Crystal and LeafGreen) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 11:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:It is apparently different between [http://upokecenter.dreamhosters.com/dex/?lang=en&version=yellow&view=baseexp Yellow] and [http://upokecenter.dreamhosters.com/dex/?lang=en&view=baseexp Black]. It may be that the old values were more outdated than we thought, but they appear to have changed at some point. Try different generations and compare. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Black rather isn't a good comparision, as the whole experience system was changed, including most of the experience yields, as I mentioned earlier. Also Yellow... Abra - 1042; Geodude - 1228; Machop - 1257; Omanyte - 1714; Kabuto - 1700. The same. ..........*CLAP CLAP CLAP*. The site's correct. What was listed as Gen III change, was actually Generation IV. Lv. 100 Abra gives 1071, Machop also 1071... Kabuto and Omanyte - 1414... Geodude's 1042. Tested on Platinum. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 20:17, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Wrong name == | |||
Could you please move <nowiki>[[File:GlitchNameCB.png]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[File:YGlitchNameCB.png]]</nowiki>? [[User:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#9E0508">'''The'''</span>]][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#5D9160">'''Original'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#60AFFE">'''One'''</span>]] 11:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Dr. Fuji vs. Mr. Fuji == | |||
We don't know if they are the same person. I believe leaving the Faraway Island article with reference to Dr. Fuji would be more appropriate. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see why we should think it is Dr. Fuji. "Dr. Fuji" is only mentioned once in the games, whereas Mr. Fuji actually is a known character. And the player being surprised at the name means they recognized it, so they're very likely the same person anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:07, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Because Dr. Fuji is a researcher, whereas nothing of the sort is mentioned about Mr. Fuji. The Pokémon Mansion journals were likely written by Dr. Fuji as well, as Pokémon Mansion is right next to Pokémon Lab, founded by Dr. Fuji. Just because Mr. Fuji is a known character, unlike Dr. Fuji, it is not necessarily more appropriate to refer to the more popular character just for the sake of it, even if it's likely that they are the same person (a possibility is not a fact). [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 17:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::Dr. Fuji is not a game character. The name is mentioned a single time, and the idea is for the gaps in the message on Faraway Island to be easily completed. This type of message would not include a character that has only been mentioned once ever (and not in any particular emphasis or part of the story or even a side quest). So if they are separate characters, it makes no sense to assume it is Dr. Fuji, so Mr. Fuji should be used; if they are the same character, then you may as well use the usual name of the character since that is what he goes by. The Pokémon Mansion journals are written by whoever made Mewtwo in the games, who we really have no indication of who that is; if we say it was whoever went to Faraway Island, then it is whoever is indicated by the sign and we have nothing else to go on (which would be Mr. Fuji). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 17:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::Why isn't Dr. Fuji a game character? He is mentioned there, long before the anime even started since Red/Green were released on February 1996 and the anime only started on April 1, 1997. Yes, he doesn't have an actual appearance but he is mentioned in the games. | |||
::::How can Mr. Fuji be tied to this? Following your logic, it doesn't make sense to say that Mr. Fuji's hometown is Cinnabar Island because the NPC that mentions the fact that he is not native to Lavender Town doesn't say that he is from Cinnabar Island, which is precisely where Dr. Fuji is referred to. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 17:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::...but we don't say Mr. Fuji's hometown is Cinnabar Island for that exact reason. It probably is, but we don't know it to be. Even if he is Dr. Fuji it doesn't mean his hometown is Cinnabar Island anyway. Dr. Fuji is highly likely to be Mr. Fuji with a different title because the player recognizes the name and there is no other mention of Fuji. Dr. Fuji is a game character technically, but he has a single mention in a minor piece of text, and is unlikely to be an individual character anyway (they would not make two characters with the same name in the same game in that way unless they were the same or related). My point was that the anime Dr. Fuji is not a game character. It is fine to say that Mr. Fuji may be related to Dr. Fuji, but the sign is more likely to be referring to Mr. Fuji since he is a character people actually know in the games, and therefore can automatically think of when filling in the blanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 18:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::Yet somehow put a comment on Mr. Fuji's article to hide the hometown parameter, filled in as "Cinnabar Island". And you're still using speculation as the ground for what should be in the articles. Speculations '''are ''not''''' facts. An encyclopedic wiki should use facts ''and'' reliable sources as long as it's possible. Yes, it is something that it is not officially clear and we have to present possible facts but that's precisely the point of claiming that it's Dr. Fuji over Mr. Fuji. We know the former to be a researcher, a scientist, who is obviously more likely to be related with the scientific discovery of Mew and its cloning that resulted in Mewtwo. {{tt|All we know about Mr. Fuji is that he is not native to Lavender Town and that he takes care of orphaned Pokémon.|I'm talking about his life and his activities; the fact Team Rocket kidnapped him is irrelevant to this discussion}}. So Dr. Fuji, regardless of having a prominent presence or not, is the most appropriate choice. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 18:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::::::First sentence of my last post should read "Yet someone put a comment [...]" [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 18:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Hidden text is quite often speculation. If it is not visible it is not really an issue. Having said that, I personally don't like it, but some people do and it doesn't really do much harm as long as people aren't editing articles just to add it, and that entire paragraphs aren't hidden. | |||
::::::::What we know is that Fuji was on the island. We have no idea if it was for research. So Dr. Fuji has no more connection to the island than Mr. Fuji. Meaning that we must resort to developer psychology over in-universe reasoning, in which case either they are the same character or Mr. Fuji is the visitor as Dr. Fuji is not someone that you can assume (which was required by the sign). I've made a compromise-ish edit to Faraway Island that mentions it may be either (although emphasis is still on Mr. Fuji). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Romanizations in tooltips; game/generation usage; code == | |||
Yes, the {{bp|Manual of style/Romanization|wiki's romanization guidelines}} say that they should be used for kanji but they can be useful for someone who can't read Japanese characters and who would like to know what it is, not what it translates to. I believe this should be revised and we should use the same templates as Wikipedia does, which I already suggested to Werdnae. That way, even mobile users can enjoy having a romanization that is provided by a template that allows standardization and flexibility because: | |||
* using a template specific for inputting Japanese text provides uniformity on how Japanese text is presented | |||
* the "Japanese:" text can be made to only appear on the article's lead through a parameter in the template | |||
* the fact that editors can use the template in a very simple way to present text differently according to needs | |||
* would avoid blatantly useless translations of Japanese text when the official English text is already the same | |||
While I might agree that there needs to be consistency, thinking again makes me change my opinion on the matter. It should be accurate to what is being presented and saying "Generation III" instead of "FireRed and LeafGreen" when it clearly pertains to those games only is ridiculous since they are part of the generation and not the games that represent the whole generation. It's illogical to think and do otherwise. | |||
About the code, why is it being replaced? The code grants that the text in the template appears as it should instead of what the browser wants it render as. <code>…</code> forces a browser to render the proper ellipsis while <code>⋯</code> renders the properly midline horizontal ellipsis characteristic to languages such as Japanese. | |||
This is my two cents on these matters. It'd make this wiki far more reliable than what it is, help the content be truly encyclopedic and accurate and we could get a better repo on the Internet for being a good source of information. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 18:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see the point of providing a pronunciation guide when the meaning is unknown; if the person can read Japanese then knowing what they say is useful; if they can't, it is not. I think Japanese text is currently uniformly presented anyway (with "(Japanese: <text>)" after the relevant English name). I understand the appeal of implying "Japanese:" after the first usage rather than repeatedly specifying it, but I prefer the current method as it is both more uniform and and means that if the Japanese text is not in the same section as other Japanese text and a link leads directly to that section, the user is not required to search for the original usage to determine the language. I don't see how our current method is any more complex than a template. I think translations are important even if they are the same as the English text, as otherwise there is no way of knowing that it ''is'' the same as the English translation rather than simply untranslated. This kind of template is useful on Wikipedia where they have many different languages to deal with, but here it is almost always Japanese so such a template can easily function as simple text. | |||
:The text is from Generation III. Specifically FRLG, yes, but it is what the text in like in Generation III. In regards to the Generation I games, I prefer to refer to them as that since listing them is difficult due to the language differences. But it should not be Generation II and HeartGold and SoulSilver; either Generation II and IV or Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver. So I think "Generation I games" and "FireRed and LeafGreen" as headers could work, but "Generation I" and "Generation III" is more consistent with other articles anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:As far as I can tell, … (<nowiki>…</nowiki>) always renders exactly the same as … and ⋯ (<nowiki>⋯</nowiki>) as ⋯. The HTML purpose is that it is difficult to type, and sometimes the characters have technical uses (such as <nowiki>"</nowiki> being useful to put " inside {{template|tt}} without breaking it). | |||
:I'm not sure if I can agree with any of your proposed improvements are applicable here at all. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::The template would provide code uniformity, not presentation uniformity. In terms of presentation, it would allow for standardized flexibility and adaptability. If Wikipedia, which has to deal with a lot more than we do, and has far more discussions on these matters than we do, uses such elements, then I don't see why we can't either. Might seem unnecessary here but makes everything a lot easier. | |||
::The consistency issue is irrelevant if we prefer accuracy. And to be honest, accuracy is more important than consistency for the sake of it. It shouldn't be a problem to do what I do as it's presenting correct information, even not being consistent, which is irrelevant here. | |||
::<nowiki>⋯</nowiki> doesn't always render the same. Just look at the Faraway Island article, where the Sign template is used. You admitted that it is useful for usage within templates and yet you went against that same premise when removing it from the template. | |||
::I fail to see how any of this is damaging to the wiki (and it isn't). [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 22:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I don't see how the code we currently use is not uniform already. Simply saying "Wikipedia has decided to use it so it must be good" is not an argument for it; evidence must be provided that it is necessary here (e.g. Wikipedia has plenty of policies that simply could not work here due to the difference in size). Wikipedia has a lot more different languages to deal with than us, so the template is particularly useful for them. For us, everything can be uniformly managed without the need for a template. What I will grant is that the Wikipedia template provides a link to an article about installing the character set; this ''is'' something that could be applied here, and as far as I can see, the only real reason we would have to implement a template for this purpose. However, since everything uses Japanese we could probably just put up a general notice (a vast majority of pages have Japanese text on them). I suppose we do have Korean and Chinese text in the "In other languages" sections too (and Korean sometimes on events pages too), but that could easily be addressed by adding such a link to {{template|Langtable}} and making a template like {{wp|Template:Contains Korean text}} to put at the top of the relevant event pages. | |||
:::It is not inaccurate to say text is from a generation rather than specifying the game it is from, as long as it is the only example of that text in that generation. So since both are accurate, the issue is consistency. | |||
:::I think you misunderstood what I was saying when I said it was useful to use HTML for complex characters in templates. It is only useful to do so when the character causes a technical issue. If you put " inside {{template|tt}}, it breaks it (compare {{tt|this|you can't read "this"}} and {{tt|this|you can read "this"}}). The ellipse does not cause technical issues, so I don't see the need to use the HTML code. It doesn't do any harm, but it isn't necessary and makes more sense to use the actual character when you can. As far as I can tell, the characters look exactly the same using the HTML method as using the regular character. | |||
:::I don't think I ever said any of it is damaging to the wiki. Most of it is just unnecessary or inconsistent (or both). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 01:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Hexadecimal disambigs? == | |||
Would we need hexadecimal disambigs, or do the current numerical disambigs suffice? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Maybe. I suppose it would be helpful to easily check things like which item corresponds to which move when dealing with data shifting glitches like the Celebi Egg glitch and remaining HP glitch. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Most of this is already mentioned on the normal number redirects, like on [[010]]. Instead, perhaps [[A]], {{red link|0A}}, and {{red link|00A}} could redirect there. Unfortunately, it doesn't mention the fact that 0A is equal to 10. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::I think [[10]] should include both things with that index number in decimal and in hexadecimal. [[A]] would be a disambiguation page by itself. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 02:17, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== curious question... == | |||
hey um, I was wondering why the number of edits you need to make to gain autoconfirmed status is secret? im not asking for the number or something, just curious [[User:Latias1290|Latias1290]] ([[User talk:Latias1290|talk]]) 18:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Because we don't want people to quickly make the required number of edits, give up on the mainspace, and solely edit their userspace. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 23:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::ah ok [[User:Latias1290|Latias1290]] ([[User talk:Latias1290|talk]]) 11:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== [[User talk:Mikoro/Archive]] == | |||
If you want to edit someone else's userspace, you must ask them first. You did not ask me before editing my archive template. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 19:00, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:#SnorlaxMonster did not edit your page, Spriteit did. | |||
:#Staff members are allowed to edit personal pages of other users at any time, provided that they do not change the output. Removing non-existent templates, as Spriteit did on your page, falls under this. This is because non-existent templates show up on the wanted pages list if someone is trying to use them. Spriteit's edit did not in any way change the appearance nor functionality of your template. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 19:57, 27 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== PWT == | |||
Move deleter and move relearner [http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2872/bpkmnwh25120871.png Japanese names] (both doesn't match with what we have, while the third is Move Tutor... renamed? Relearner was renamed to Reminder in English, but what about Deleter?)... also what move tutors (oddly enough, Driftveil doesn't have the Move Tutor on Town Map)? You might also want to take a look at [http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1065/pocketmonstersfireredja.png this], to see if in Japanese FRLG Blue refers to himself by different title than "Pokémon Champion" or "Pokémon League Champion". (also seeing how the Underground Ruins chambers' names are based off keys...we might wanna also go for [http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9177/gracidea.png Japanese names]{{tt|*|First is difficulty (Easy, Normal, Challenge), then Area (Forest and then City), and last are Ruins (Rock Peak, Iron and Iceberg - in that order)}} of these things) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I think that the names we have is the names of the individuals, while this is the names of the services. For example, わざおしえ人 is ''Move Teacher'' and what we currently have on [[Move Tutor]], while わざおしえ is ''Move Teaching'' and what the map says. "Move relearner" has always been a fan term for an unnamed character (well, they have been called "Move Maniacs" before or something to that effect). League Champ is ポケモン リーグの ちょうてん ''Pokémon League's Greatest'' in Japanese—it looks like it may not even be a proper term for the title and just his name for himself though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Move Needed == | |||
[[Talk:Yoshi]], bringing to someone who'll hopefully know the proper tags needed. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 04:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Replied there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 04:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks, I replied back. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 04:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
