Can someone answer me why ArcToraphim's added statement about talking about AdvanceShipping and the dubiousness of ContestShipping is necessary for this page? Mentioning other ships in other ship pages just will get really messy and it opens a can of worms as to what other ships these pages need to mention. Just have these page present the ContestShipping point of view while presenting the list of facts and citations supporting it. --Swifty 07:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- Because the point is: Contestshipping is the most canon 'ship within the main group collective. It is as canon as it can be without having a full admission. The fact there is no admission gives Advanceshippers the tiniest amount of wiggleroom to refute its canon status. The statement there is to provide the account between the two, in a clearly specialized circumstance. The non-canon 'ship is still throwing fireballs at the pritty-dam-cannon 'ship. What is there not necessary to comment on? It's apart of the 'ship's history, and as an ARTICLE that tries to get to the truth of the matter, it's equally necessary to point out the "but..." of any hints that might be suspect. That is the "but..." statement. To a canon 'ship we can barely call canon in the first place, but still kind of is. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- Does this mean we can start mentioning how ContestShipping is much more conclusive than AdvanceShipping on the AdvanceShipping page? This is a real slippery slope here. Shipping pages are all about POV but there should be a guideline on what degree of POV. Otherwise all the other pages will get bogged down by limitless amount of ships that can be mentioned with the excuse that shipping is all about POV. The standard should be limited to the POV of the ship itself while being agnostic of other viewpoints. I'll try my best to make the first paragraph more neutral sounding but please, the last paragraph in the opening statement is not needed. --Swifty 03:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, as a ContestShipper and the original author of this page, I cannot stand to see such misinformation being spread. A lot of this "evidence" isn't evidence. Saying that "rules are more lax" doesn't give everyone an excuse to put up misinformation and far reaching statements on shipping pages.
At the beginning of the episode Ash is practicing with his Sceptile who as recently been unable to preform any attacks. Then, Drew makes his appearance, giving Ash advice on broken hearts. Drew has already battled Ash "for May's affection" (as ContestShippers believe, although many shippers believe that you cannot fight for love in that sense) and this could be another way of Drew humiliating Ash, "seeing Ash as a rival to May".
First of all, how is that parentheses contributing to why this piece of information is evidence? And how and when exactly did Drew battle Ash for May's affection? Can someone please explain to me how Drew's advice on broken hearts can be attributed to ContestShipping in anyway?
After May's and Drew's battle, when May's giving her Pokémon food, Drew shows up, shakes hands with her and comments her combinations.
Shaking hands and making small talk is evidence of attraction? What the hell, since when did ContestShipping started using normal interaction between May and Drew as evidence of their attraction to each other?
Drew and May's other rivals were seen watching her battle. Some Contestshippers believe Drew was watching because he cares deeply for May and her accomplishments.
Okay, if they showed Drew watching May battle, then perhaps it could be said it was done in reference to May and Drew liking each other... But the fact that Harley, Solidad, and Drew are watching together? That's a double standard right there. If Drew is watching because he likes May, then Solidad and Harley must like May as well.
Hello people! ContestShipping is full of incredibly obvious pieces of evidence: roses, blushing, accusations, and denials. Stop listing BS like "Drew and May held hands. QED" or "Drew and May talked to each other therefore ship is canon." I expect that crap from AdvanceShippers, not ContestShippers. I don't understand why you're willing to let such non-sequitur stay on this page of something that's already been proven with solid facts.
Evidence must be indisputable proof that the relationship is canon. It can't have incredibly shallow citations like these. If you want people to take ContestShipping seriously, you need to exclusively display outright proof that the ship exists. You can't list a bunch of random scenes that only a small fraction of people will consider romantic. Most likely the writers did not intend for the scene to be romantic; interpreting it to be romantic won't hold.
I'm reverting the page back to my revision and have locked it in order to spur discussion on this subject. --Swifty 07:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Here's the pic:
- I'll do it. However, you have to upload the picture to Bulbapedia. If you don't know how, I'll gladly tell you. =]
ShinjiLover 07:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Should this page be divided into May's hints and Drew's hints. As one of the most popular ships it would make it better. Mudkipluvr4ever 01:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that July 10 is contestshipping day. Does anyone know who started it and whether it's widespread enough to mention on the page? Idya Ran 17:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)