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Is there a reason you're removing trivia from pages? -- MAGNEDETH 19:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


What are the other nine who can not learn it ?----DJWolfy 19:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

TM info

I'm not sure if you're still editing the TM information in terms of prices and sell prices in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, but I would like you to take a look at this. I want it all to be concise before we start this mini-project of adding prices. Since I have no access to the Japan-exclusive Mystery Dungeon games, then once the charts are finished, we could add the info. If anything, check to see if a specific TM (e.g. TM34) is filled for both RB and TDS before adding to the TM pages. Thanks. ht14 01:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Capitalizing "the"

I put it in my edit summaries when I undid your edits involving the Riches, but I just wanted to let you know that the word "the" should never be capitalized except at the beginning of a sentence or title. Therefore, the family name "the Riches" uses a lowercase "the". This is a widely accepted stylistic choice in just about all formal writing that I know of, and you can find plenty of sources on it via Google, so for terseness I'll only quote one source, the American Psychological Association: "This boils down to using lowercase only for “minor” words of three letters or fewer, namely, for conjunctions (words like and, or, nor, and but), articles (the words a, an, and the), and prepositions (words like as, at, by, for, in, of, on, per, and to), as long as they aren’t the first word in a title or subtitle." I hope you keep this in mind in the future; thanks for listening to my rambling, and happy editing in the future. :) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

In the latest main series games, an Undella Town NPC uses The Riches as a title: "I wonder why only the father from The Riches stayed here..." As such, those three edits were indeed made in concordance with the well-known style you're caps locking about in your edit summaries and attempting to lecture about on this page. That being said, I have no problem with your reversions, as the capitalization is not present in Black and White. Yvnr (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I found one example of The Riches mid-sentence in a text dump of Black (I don't have a B2W2 text dump) "I will protect the honor of The Riches!", but all the others use lowercase "the". I think it is due to being a Trainer class name. IMO it would be best to go with lowercase "the". --SnorlaxMonster 12:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Join Avenue Cafe

I'm doing work on the Join Avenue page, and I was wondering if you could tell me if there was a way to tell whether your Cafe is type A, or type B. I can't seem to find anything about it in-game, and you added the templates to the page. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 15:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

If the shop owner is a non-Janus NPC fan, the information is in the article's NPC fan table, but since you're asking, I assume that's not the case. Telling you how to identify the variation of your Café would be easier if I knew its rank. Please note that variations A, B, C, and D are arbitrary terms I made up, and as such are not found in the games, which never make any mention of service variance within shops of the same type. Yvnr (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Alright. My Cafe is run by Jocelyn and it's Rank 8. If need be, I'll list what her wares are. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 17:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Join Avenue Recommendations

I'm just curious why you hid the phrase I entered ("I want to talk about love. Is there anyone I can talk to?") as an example of "Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait." I see little reason not to have it listed with the others of its kind, i.e. those requesting a female shopkeeper. --Ragamander (talk) 23:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I did so because I'm fairly certain it belongs there. By avoiding various content when playing the games, one can prevent the "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)" from appearing altogether. My Join Avenue is such a case, and while I've encountered every other phrase listed in the article, I've never encountered the phrase in question. Furthermore, the point value you listed (300/400) is much higher than any regular phrase, just like other "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)". If the phrase's "Appropriate shop(s)" really is "Any shop run by a female clerk", I can see why you think it should be listed as a regular phrase, but have you actually verified that it is not determined by something else (such as the answers given to multiple-choice question NPCs)? Likewise, have you verified that it statically yields 300 for NPC fans and 400 for "other players"? Yvnr (talk) 09:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
I ultimately determined that it really was "Any shop run by a female clerk" by sending the person to a male nursery, then a female nursery. The former failed; the latter succeeded. I had (perhaps mistakenly) assumed that the only criteria were shop type and shopkeeper gender and that only one such criterion is relevant to any given request. However, I did try a few other combinations, and gender was the only thing that seemed to correlate. It's true that I can't vouch for the 400 number; since I've never connected with another player, I have never had the ability to check the PC numbers. However, I was under the impression that all the NPC numbers were calculated at 75% of the PC numbers, so a quick reverse calculation on that yielded 400 from the 300 I got whenever I sent the request to a female shopkeeper. I will also admit that I do not know whether this phrase was influenced by my answers to multiple-choice questions (although the article presently implies that only the availability of a given phrase is affected by one's answers), and I forgot that phrases unlocked that way are "not present in the table." I have no idea why such phrases are excluded categorically when such information would be useful as a reference, but I suppose that's another issue entirely. Anyways, I had not previously encountered anything that was not on the table, and I tentatively assumed that the mysterious, poorly-defined category of "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)" was relevant only to games that had connected to other players. The phrasing of the request did not at all suggest to me that it fell under that category, and, considering these things, it seemed more likely to me that it was some sort of rare event. If any of my assumptions are wrong, then I haven't sufficiently verified my data, and I apologize for that. --Ragamander (talk) 07:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
If I may butt in, I put the "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or question)" because there are literally too many phrases they could use, and it would be an absolute waste of space to list every single one because they would all have the same answer: Any shop that meets the criteria. Seriously, there is at least 50 different requests they could make. To get the answers to their requests, you'll have to talk to other NPCs that hang around your avenue (the ones off to the sides or inside your office.) They'll have information about your shopkeepers. What their personality is, their interests, habits, etc. then if someone says they want someone who for example uses coolness as a selling point, you go and find the person who talks about that topic, and you see who applies coolness to their shop. Gender and the type of shop have nothing to do with it. I think this is what you're referring to. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 07:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I did not know that. Last time I checked my avenue, none of the NPCs seemed to offer such information, and I've talked to everyone. The article says you can get additional information about about PC shopkeepers from the sunglasses guy, but all my shopkeepers are NPCs, and they always have been. Anyways, I forgot to mention that, when sent to an appropriate place, the NPC who offered the phrase mentioned that a "wonderful person" was there, or something like that, before points were awarded. That kind of dialogue might be a tip-off to someone who has seen that sort of thing before, but I just chalked it up as some sort of meaningless flourish in the writing. --Ragamander (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
My questions regarding verification were meant as pointers to the information we'd need in order to include the phrase in the table, so I hope I didn't inadvertently make you feel forced to explain yourself. As for whether or not to fully include the "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)", I'm not involved with that game content (as described above), so you'll have to discuss that with another user - like Jo, who seems to have covered this nicely. Yvnr (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
I did encounter the phrase, so that disconfirms that it requires engagement of certain content in order to appear, as hypothesized above. NPC fan Janette yielded 300 to shops run by female clerks and nothing to shops run by male clerks. Larger sample, but same result as topic starter - do you remember the gender of your customer? I'm asking since the criteria may not be a female clerk, but rather a clerk of the same gender as the customer, given the subject matter of the phrase. Could also be something completely different, with the small sample we've got. Since the phrase does differ significantly from every other phrase I've seen (unless it is triggered by some other event, it has a seemingly minuscule rate of appearing, and its point value is unusually high) it may also differ in terms of criteria. Yvnr (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
The customer I encountered was also female. I had considered that the criterion might have been a gender-match, but I rejected the possibility under the assumption (perhaps false) that the only available criteria were shop type and shopkeeper gender. I've also considered the possibility that only female NPCs offer the phrase. --Ragamander (talk) 00:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

More Trivia

Could you please tell me what you found wrong with all that trivia you just removed? Sneaking from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... Gengarzilla! 19:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I could, but I doubt that it would change your perspective - you've already taken your stance, and that's that. If you think the kind of trivia content that repeats information easily found in the "Pokémon with <Ability>" sections above should be included in the articles, then that's your stance. If you see any significance in dual-type trivia, as if the fact that some Pokémon within a certain group have two types, while others only have one, says anything about anything at all, and is worth noting, then again, that's your stance. If any user(s) with administrative powers on this site could take a stance, that would be helpful - otherwise it's just my word against yours. So that's an invitation to anyone reading. Yvnr (talk) 07:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
A number of staff, myself included, found that most of the changes you made were acceptable. Like you said, some of the trivia was repetitive. It's for that same reason we don't allow sprite trivia. We can restore your changes, I was just curious what would be your response. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 07:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I'd appreciate that - having the changes that were deemed acceptable restored. Probably best if done by another user. Yvnr (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Unless there are no takers, of course. I have edited the articles, attempting to minimize further dispute through the use of edit summaries. I have left the articles for Oblivious, Quick Feet, Reckless, and Sand Force alone, although I do oppose the trivia content I chose not to restore. Yvnr (talk) 16:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)