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Nav Bar

Hi! I was just wondering what the language is for your navigation bar? I wanted to have one to but I can't seem the find out how to make one. PLZ REPLY? Shockfisher

My nav bar, like all pages on the wiki, is written in Wikicode. Wikicode involves a fair amount of html as well. Aside from that help page I linked, the best way to figure out how to use it yourself is to try it. Copy the code, remove a bit and preview. Whatever no longer works is what that bit of code does. I would appreciate it if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save though. I'd rather you figure out how it works and remake it in your own style. Just remember that the page for your nav bar is in your userspace, so the one edit per day limit includes that page - you'll have to wait until the next server day to add the navbar to your main userpage. Werdnae (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


2 of 'em-

(1) How do you make your userpage backround bulba color dark? (2) How do you make your userbox so it has [show] and [hide] options? After I learn how to, this will be my final major edit to my u page. And I'll focus 100% on my edits (Before was like 45%.) Thanks twice- ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 20:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

  1. Put a table or div that covers the whole page with the style "background: #{{bulba color dark}};". If you need to, copy the coding for the exterior border on my talk page, remove the border bit and add that coding to it.
  2. They userboxes are in a table with the class "expandable" (defaults to closed) or "collapsible" (defaults to open). Each row that should always show as a header for the following hidden bit should also have the expandable/collapsible class. Note that it doesn't work if the row has the class but the table as a whole doesn't, and you can mix-and-match the two in the same table. It still works if the table has expandable but every cell has collapsible, vice versa, or any other combination. Have a fiddle with the coding from my page if my explanation's a bit confusing. That said, I would appreciate if you didn't just copypaste my coding and then save. I'd rather you figure out how it works and add your own flair. Werdnae (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
(1) Thanks, it works perfectly, BUT! I have coding for my userbox that I need to use a |} thing on so all of my page isn't stuck in my userbox, and the final product is a thick

that's colored bulba color dark with a dark color border (I meant for the border to happen.) How can I fix it? (2) I'll figure it out. Thanks times two! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 17:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I assume you're using a table? You can have a table inside a table. Just make sure that all the content for the part of the page is inside a cell of the outer table. If it's not in a cell then it won't work properly. Werdnae (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the late update. I gave up for now. I'll keep working on the expandable thing, but I need a cheat sheet or something. I would just look on wikipedia but I can't go on that. Also, I think a "bad grammar" template would be great. Draft:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color}}; border: 3px solid #{{poison color}}; width: 90%; {{roundy|40px}}" |- | style="background:#{{water color light}}; padding: 10px; {{roundy|50px}}" align="center" | [[Image:049Venomoth.png|100px]] | '''This {{{1|article}}} is exhibiting many grammatical errors. Please feel free to refine the grammar in this article and enhance Bulbapedia's viewer's experiences. Bulbapedia thanks you. |}.

I think this template would be helpful because: One- It would let grammar and spelling freaks like myself flock to these pages and beautify them, and Two- It adds an alternative to Template:Rewording and Template: Cleanup. If you dislike the simplicity I will either try to "fancy it up" or wait eight years, go to college, take a class in computer programming, and try then. Or you'll do it. Thanks- ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 23:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I've run it by a couple of other admins, and we feel that we don't really need either that or the reword one. If it's something simple, it can just be fixed when it's noticed - it's as much work to put on the template it as it is to fix. If it's extensive it probably needs a general cleanup too. IMO, Cleanup should be used where there's poor grammar, a reword is needed or it needs reformatting. Werdnae (talk) 10:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, then. So much for that idea. But I need help again for something- I was looking at navs for ideas for my own, and I saw yours. But it was covered with "<sc>...</sc>" Wuzzat? 2. One last question- I have Another page, with a bluetable stolen from MAGNEDETH, and I have no idea what class="c" and class="l" are. Thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The <sc> tag puts things in Small Caps. The classes are defined here for your future reference. The classes l and c make the text left and center aligned respectively. Werdnae (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a zillion! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 15:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
One more thing- I am working on an article, List of Legendary Pokémon, but my template doesn't work. It needs extra coding taken from the template itself to work. Can you tell me how to fix this? Thank you! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 21:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Your template is only the rows. It doesn't have the header in it, (otherwise the rows would break). You need to open the table and put in the headers on the page itself. Basically, the template is telling it to put rows into a table which you haven't made exist on the page. Werdnae (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
How do you make a header? Do I make a page called "User:Focus58/LOLPh" and write {| align="center" style="background: #{{arceus color light}}; border: 2px solid #{{arceus color}};{{roundy|10px}}" |- | {| border=1 width="100%" align="center" class="sortable" style="background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{arceus color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;" |- style="background:#{{arceus color light}}" ! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]] ! Sprite ! Name ! Introduced</noinclude>? Or something else? Thanks, ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 23:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
resetting indent If it's just going to be used on one page there's no point in a header template. Just put that code (without the noinclude tags) above the rest of the table. Werdnae (talk) 23:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
O.K. Works fine, but on the the template the "switch|493S=493" ect. ect. is a fail. What needs to work? How do I fix? Thanks a ton, ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 13:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
You're using the parameter for the name (parameter 2) to control the switcher, when the results are all expecting the parameter for the ndex number (parameter 1). Werdnae (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't get it... ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 16:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The way it's set up, when you put {{User:Focus58/Lop/legendary|492S|Shaymin|[[Generation IV|Gen. IV]]}} on the page, the switcher is set to use the second parameter to determine the outcome. So it takes "Shaymin" and checks whether it matches any of the predetermined inputs. Since it doesn't, it defaults to displaying the first parameter (in this case 492S). You need to change that so that the switcher is using parameter 1, so it will use "492S" in that example. Werdnae (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

My Sig

Thank You so much for the signature help. I have one question though; how can a make a box to put my images in like for example that box that pokemon sprites are in on their own pages? PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 16:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC) PokePrincess


The coding for the current sprite box can be found here, but when you actually include the coding for the subtemplates as well it's remarkably complex because it has to take into account a lot of different scenarios. If you simply want to make a coloured box to put sprites in, then you'd be better off using a simple table. Table basics can be found on Bulbapedia:Wikicode, and I'd suggest looking at the coding for the table section for the background and border coding. Most of that coding is pretty self-explanatory, especially when combined with what the page content. Also, just a note that there's a restriction on when you can edit your userpage - there's a minimum time limit and a minimum mainspace edit limit. It's great to see you're working towards the mainspace edit limit, if you haven't already reached it (I don't know the exact numbers), But you may need to wait a couple of weeks before it will let you edit it. Further details on that can be found on the Userspace policy.
Also, could I get you to change your sig code in your preferences to [[User talk:PokePrincess|PokePrincess]] please? We need it to actually have a link. If you would like to further customise your sig feel free, just ask if you need help. Werdnae (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry about my adding of trivia. I will punish myself and never do again. Besides what I am. How long will it be before I can edit my mainspace. PokePrincess 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)--PokePrincess 00:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The mainspace can be edited by anyone. The userspace has a time and edit limit, the exact number and length of which I don't know. If Special:Preferences says you're a member of autoconfirmed, you can edit it. Once you can, remember the one-edit-per-day limit though. If you want to test out how templates work, they work just as well in previews as they do when the page is saved, so there's no need to save the page. Werdnae (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Just dropping this here for you

For your opinions and such to replace the current two pages. I just merged them together with a cool table too. Kogs mentioned something else being added later, but it escapes me right now but I can find the log. Cheers. --P S Yライダー 16:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking good so far Psy. Definitely agree with merging the two articles, maybe even just replacing the MD section on Rank with that. Werdnae (talk) 19:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


How do you join a project? Thanks.

Donyor, Origin Form 10:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Add your name to the bottom of the list on the page. Simple as that. Note that you don't have to be a project member to edit the sections.
Could I get you to make your signature link to either your userpage or your talk page please? Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 10:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this good:

Donyor, Origin Form 03:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to do it. Could you help?

Donyor, Origin Form 03:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

[[User talk:Donyor|Donyor, Origin Form]] will give Donyor, Origin Form Werdnae (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

User Page

How do I know when my user page has been added? Will I get an e-mail?

Donyor, Origin Form 08:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

There's no notification that pops up. You'll have to either try editing it or look at your preferences occasionally. If the information in your preferences says that you're in the autoconfirmed usergroup, you can edit it. Werdnae (talk) 08:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Logging Out

Why am I always being logged out of Bulbapedia automatically.

Donyor, Origin Form 08:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Make sure you're checking the "keep me logged in button". Assuming you are, it's probably just a glitch. It happens occasionally, and there isn't really anything we can do about it short term. Our server-side people are considering reconfiguring the setup, which will hopefully fix that bug and the session loss errors. For now, all you can really do is make sure you're checking the box and that your cookies are enabled (Maybe try clearing them too) and just waiting until it goes back to normal. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Werdnae (talk) 09:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Coral Sea

I just did a major edit on the Coral Sea page. I added a lot of detail (maybe too much) and I think it isn't a stub anymore. Also wondering should I tell admins this kind of stuff?

Donyor, Origin Form 09:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

It's no longer a stub, so you can remove the stub tags. When you do, you'll need to rewrite the stuff you added - Information in articles should always be in third person (the player, he, she, they) not second person (you). The difference is that third person is encyclopedic, while second person is more conversational - like a walkthrough. And for most articles, if you are sure it is no longer a stub, you don't need to ask to remove the tag. If it is a featured article, or you're unsure, you can ask any staff member. Werdnae (talk) 05:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Werd

I've made some modifications to Template:Trainerentry/Pokémon and I was wondering what you thought. Extremely small changes would also have to be made to Template:Trainerentry if it was to be implemented but I could help out with that too.--MisterE13 03:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The concept looks good, the current system's just a quick addon. Could I get you to make a demonstration usage on the talk page of your template? Werdnae (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The deed is done.--MisterE13 11:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Right here.--MisterE13 03:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Z.Z. Flyer

The Z.Z. Flyer page is a stub but I looked at it and it's pretty long. Could you check and make sure that wasn't a mistake?

Donyor, Origin Form 09:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, it's not a stub any more. It looks to me like that largest section does need a reword and breaking into paragraphs, so I've left the cleanup tag on for now. That can be removed once that's done though. Thanks for looking to improve the stubs. Werdnae (talk) 10:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

my Speculation page

You said I'd have to make mainspace edits first. I don't get what's to edit (I avoid Pokémon Black and White like the plague, and I don't watch the Japanese anime). What can I contribute?--Darknesslover5000 23:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There's a whole category of Pages needing attention. Many of the ones in the Articles needing improvement subcategory simply need rewording. If you watch the English anime, there are still plenty of pages than need a full sysopsis written. There is also always some Stubs which can be improved. Werdnae (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Alright, and on the note of the english anime, I do watch it, but I don't memorize the episodes and the only anime site I know, is rather useless to watch them on--Darknesslover5000 04:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


Do you know: Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon Questions? -- 22:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I do not know. I don't have one. Werdnae (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Optimizing PNG Images

Hey, I've taken an interest in helping with the archives, one of the things I think could be useful would be if I uploaded new revisions of PNG files that have been optimized for the smallest file size (with no to very little quality difference), such as converting RGB PNG's to Indexed Color PNG's (custom palletes). Anime images are very indexed-color friendly, their size can be signifigantly shrunk with little, if no impact on quality. Is this something worth doing, and would it be alright if I performed such optimizations? It may help with bandwidth/space issues. GetOutOfBox 23:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll bring it up with some of the other Archives staff members. While obviously smaller images will improve loading times and result in reduced bandwidth requirements, I don't think that's the main cause of the loading issues. For the record, space isn't (at least currently) an issue - every revision of every page is saved, even deleted ones. Werdnae (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure. The difference is that with many anime images, especially character images, there are only a few distinct colors used. Hence rather than encoding them in a PNG that uses the entire RGB colorspace, one could simply include palette containing the few colors the image uses. The difference can be very large, with no visual drop. I could give you a few links to comparisons if you'd like (I'll upload them on an external website for now). Obviously bandwidth isn't a large issue (I'm guessing server hardware is more often than not), but anything that could save bulbapedia some bandwidth would be helpful, especially for larger images. GetOutOfBox 01:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Wonder Mail Codes

Is there any reason not to make a page with wonder mail codes on it? - unsigned comment from Donyor (talkcontribs)

Please sign your comments with four tildes. Are there not far too many wondermail codes for that page to be practical? Werdnae (talk) 04:09, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Link Template

I want to make a new link template, but I don't know how. I looked on the article about it but it wasn't any help. Also how do you know how to make certain templates for your userpage.

Donyor, Origin Form 05:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you want to make the link template for? Templates for the userspace are mostly just tables Use the preview button and removing code to figure out the table coding is the first step. Then, anything in three braces is a parameter (e.g. {{{test|default}}} is a parameter called "test" which defaults to "default") Parameters can be used to alter the outcome over different pages. If the parameter name is a number, then it doesn't need to be named when the template is used, as long as it is that number in the template, counting only unnamed parameters. (That's probably really confusing. Have a look at existing templates to get a better idea.) Also, remember that templates for the userspace should be made in the userspace, so they count towards your limit. They only get moved to the templatespace if they become widely used. Werdnae (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Errrrr, is there a link to the template space for userspace templates, I don't know much wikicode.

Donyor, Origin Form 14:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

If you want to link to the templatespace, you can use the {{template}} template to easily format it like a template. If you want to use a template in the userspace, it works exactly as in the mainspace (just be careful not to include yourself in mainspace categories). Pages in the userspace can be included as templates by putting the full page name in braces, e.g. to include my nav template which is at the top of this page, I use {{User:Werdnae/Nav}}. If you're using a subpage as a template, then you can exclude the page it's included on from the call. e.g. on my userpage, the same template is called by {{/Nav}} Hope that helped. Feel free to ask more if you need to. Werdnae (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Axew and its evolutionary family are the only pure dragon evolutionary family where all the members are pure dragon. Shouldn't that be in the Trivia?

Donyor, Origin Form 08:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC) Make sure you mention that it's only for multi-member families, otherwise Druddigon says hi. It'd probably be best to use the wording from the similar trivia point already on Klink's page. Werdnae (talk) 10:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC) But I'm not supposed to edit Trivia, right?

Donyor, Origin Form 14:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

At the moment. But for consistency it's fine. Just note in the edit summary that I gave you permission to add it, so that it doesn't get reverted. The idea with the rule is to help reduce the pointless additions to trivia while the server's throwing tantrums. I see no reason to remove the good, notable additions to trivia sections just because they are trivia. Werdnae (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page

How does the talk page health thing work? Does it stay fixed or go up/down? Also how do you archive talk page stuff?

Donyor, Origin Form 03:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The talk page health bar is a calculation based on the size of the page. The health goes down as the page increases in size, reaching empty when the page reaches 100kB. It's rather complicated, but the coding for mine is here if you want to reference it. To archive your talk page, use the "move" button at the top of the page to move it to a new name in your user talk space (e.g. User talk:Donyor/Archive 1) Then change the redirect that's left behind to a link to the archive. (The link to a list of my talk page archives is attached to the health bar at the top of the page) Werdnae (talk) 10:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
How did yours on the top of this page get so compact?

Donyor, Origin Form 10:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

There's very little padding on the cells in the table, and the text is set to be a certain size. If it's really big then you've probably got padding or spacing on the cells or something extra inside the cells. Werdnae (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I mean the coding in the link you gave me is link 20 sentences, your s at the top of the page is only like 1. - unsigned comment from Donyor (talkcontribs)
Allow me to reply, Werd. He has only one line of coding because he's calling that page as a template (User:Werdnae/Archive), if you use these: {{ and }}, you can have its entire content without having to clutter the target page up, and even arrange information to make it more automatized! (See the Pokémon articles, see the infoboxes? Those are templates made for easier use, if you checked the source code of the infobox, you'd be very confused, so that's what templates would be for, to manage information neatlier). Masatoshitalk 11:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Oh okay.I would make sure and make a good impression,cause if I can become a Junior Admin.....That's cloud nine !!!!Skarm 21:24, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Werdnae, I was looking for stubs to fix to pillow my userpage edit and I was looking at Sinnoh routes 227, 230. But they don't look like stubs. Can I remove the stub notices on these. I did that to Green Path and Sinnoh route 220 but I am having second doubts whether or not I made a good call. So I am asking you for your opoain on the matter, since you were the last adim to edit. Truthseeker4449 00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Those articles aren't stubs. Stubs are very short. If they're that long they should really be marked as incomplete instead if they are missing information. You're welcome to remove those tags. Werdnae (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Template Question

I was looking at The Union's page, and noticed that the template listing the Oblivia areas was included. The Union's link is not in this template, so I feel either we could edit the template, or simply take that template out altogether. Can I get your opinion on this matter? EvilKirikizan speaking! 02:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've added it to the template. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you. EvilKirikizan speaking! 13:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Merrick125 and Merrick1252

I believe it's safe to assume that one is a sockpuppet of the other. Just thought you might like to know. BTW, why is TTE's talk page protected... indefinitely? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 00:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. As for TTE's talk page, it was getting spammed by people. If he wants it unprotected he can ask any admin. Otherwise, check with Deth - he protected it. Werdnae (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


You said dont edit the timestamp but it is wrong? I edited that page at 00:00 and it says 23:00? Emeraldben 23:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


You said dont edit the timestamp but it is wrong? I edited that page at 00:00 and it says 23:00? Emeraldben 23:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC) < and even that says 23:16?