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==Blanking==
''[[User talk:Venomoth/Archive 1|Archives viewable here]]''
Please do not blank pages. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 20:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


:I was referring to the Favorite template. At one point, you removed all the content from the page. I do, however, appreciate that you fixed the template instead of just leaving it blank. Just for reference, if you make a mistake, there is an undo button you can click on. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
== Creating pages and templates ==


If Venomoth is your second favorite, what's your favorite? --[[User:Stinkoman|悪臭の人]][[Image:212MS.gif|75px]] http://www.hrwiki.org/images/3/37/stinkoman20X6normal.PNG 21:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Venomoth. When you next create a page or a template, be sure to categorise it so that it can be found later and doesn't end up [[Special:UncategorizedPages|here]]. With that said, your recent contribution Template:Pkm was not required. The word Pokémon isn't terribly hard to write using alt-codes (e.g. Alt+130) or the character palette below the screen. It encourages laziness and has been deleted now. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 02:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Laziness? That's the point of templates: To provide a shortcut. I don't think it should be deleted, although I did create it before I noticed the "Poké" in the Character palette of editing pages. Thanks for the nomination! ...I think. =$ --[[User talk:Venomoth|]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 06:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


==Re: Query==
== Kenhorou ==
The people who made edits after the first one did not change the box. They changed categories, etc. If you want to change the picture, just put <code><nowiki>{{User Blah|NUMBER}}</nowiki></code> when you put it on your userpage. If you want to change the colour, you will have to copy the whole code. <span style="background:#000000">[[User:Porygon-Z|<span style="color:#00BFFF">'''Por'''</span>]][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|<span style="color:#FF1493">'''ygo'''</span>]][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|<span style="color:#00BFFF">'''n-Z'''</span>]]</span> 18:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


:If I might add, the main reason people shouldn't edit those boxes is because so many other users already use them. Changing colors may be a simple thing, but unless all/most of the other people using the box agree with the change, it's not really fair to just edit it. You'd end up with users fighting over which color it should be. Better to leave suggestions on the talk pages, like you did on a few of them. :D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|<font color="#237d00"> '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>'''</font>]]<small>[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|<font color="#237d00">''.cнаt'''''^'''</font>]]</small> 22:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
...is not a branched evolution, so it should not be treated as such.  It evolves into the same Pokemon, it just has a (significant) gender difference. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 01:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:It still needs to be added, in all cases of Pokémon with [[form differences]], such as {{p|Meloetta}}, {{p|Rotom}} and {{p|Shellos}} we always include those in the evolution. I guess when we get a infobox image of the female we can have the page alternate like on the rest of the of them. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 01:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::Except it's a ''gender difference'', not a form difference. Please refrain from adding it back to the article. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 02:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:::If we do Kenhorou then we have to do [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|these guys too]]. It's silly to do one gender and not the others just because it's more noticeable. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">''''''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 02:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::::By the way, that is ''not'' an invitation to add branched evolutions to Venusaur's page and such. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 02:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::That's a good list, but most of those are so minor, we clearly see that Kenhorou is very dimorphed, like Burungel, which has an alternating page. I'm not saying we have to for all of them, I just thought it made sense to do it for the most obvious ones. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 04:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


::True, but still... --[[User:Venomoth|Venomoth]] 18:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
== Forme switching ==


== [[Template:ElementalTypes]] ==
All Forme switchers are to be discussed with {{u|TTEchidna}}.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#800080">13</span>]] 21:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:If I can ever message <s>her</s> his talk page, that is. By the time I get to it <s>she's</s> he's usually got it closed. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 00:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::TTEchidna is a dude. Also, he's taking some time away from Bulbapedia atm; direct those sorts of discussions to whichever member of the {{bp|Editorial Board}} or {{bp|staff|administration team}} you think is suitably qualified to handle it. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 00:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oops, sorry, I'm usually really good at guessing people's gender by their writing style - rare mistake. =P --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 00:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


The template is divided by physical and special columns based on how the attacks went prior to [[Generation IV]].  Your edits basically made it look like {{t|Dark}}-type attacks were physical and {{t|Ghost}}-type attacks were special prior to the split when, in fact, the reverse is true (Ghost was physical, Dark was special).  As such, your edits to that template constitute vandalism.  Please don't do it again.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
== Consensus ==


:Updates should show how it is now, not how it was. How can this be vandalism? --[[User talk:Venomoth|]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ]] 21:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Two people a consensus does not make. Especially when you have a third person who disagrees. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 23:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
:Firstly it's ''three'' now to two. Will comment more @ Your talk page. <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ]] 00:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)


::It's vandalism because you were inserting false information.  The reason the template is like that is because that's how attacks worked in [[Generation III]] and before, before the physical/special split in [[Generation IV]] rendered the type-based attack classification categories obsolete.  Someone screwing up and making every Dark-type attack except one physical in Generation IV does not change the fact Dark-type attacks were special in Generation III.
== Courtesy ==


::If your "how it is now" philosophy WERE to be applied to that template, the correct action would be eliminating the columns, since "how it is now" is physical and special not even depending on type.  You had zero reason to make those edits the way you did.
Hi! {{u|evkl}} here. If you're unhappy with all the pedia staff and me based on the outcome of that thread, that's okay. But I don't appreciate you saying I closed off discussion because I expected to lose the debate. You could continue to post the same sorts of arguments you were posting and I could continue to engage and rebut them in a way I thought reasonable. But that's tedious.  I also don't think it would end.  And frankly, I don't think you were interested in a reasoned discussion on the issue designed to reach a logical conclusion. I think you wanted (and still want) your way. Which, again, you're entitled to desire and think. But please don't accuse me of impropriety--in this case, that would be closing a thread to stifle debate. Or, if you really think I am just trying to silence dissenters, I'd appreciate if you came to me and talked about it instead of mentioning it in passing on a talk page behind my back.


::Please leave this subject matter alone before you end up blocked. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.


:::Tell you what, block me! I won't be back and I '''''certainly''''' won't be bullied, even though you know you're wrong. --[[User talk:Venomoth|]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 21:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
-- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Three-month block. Perhaps you didn't realize that you were trying to bully [[Special:Listusers/sysop|a member of the Bulbapedia staff]]? Bulbapedia sysops know what they're doing, and trying to badger one into doing your vandalism is not the thing to do. Perhaps you'll treat sysops better once your block expires. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, I did want a reasonable discussion. I came up with at least 14 different reasons why I was correct and not one of the maybe 5 people on the opposed side that bothered to post anything could out-explain or out-reason them. I was wondering if anyone would make me have a "Gee, I never thought of that! Fair enough, you're right." moment, but it never happened. What do I have to gain by having a couple lines of Wikipipe with a 15 pixel image and asterisk put on the {{type|grass}} page? Nothing. But that's what I was saying we should have because it's in step with all other similar cases and I believe it's true to the story of Pokémon. To be frank, I was offering ''reasons'' and it seems to me that you and others were just offering ''opinions.'' I wasn't really posting that behind your back because I had already linked it and directed it to you and anyone could've clicked it, but that is what you did do, you did just for no real reason close a discussion. And I don't really care. I have my reasons, you and the other 21 have your feelings, I suppose. <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ]] 06:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


== Signature ==
== Word of <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">God</span> Sugimori ==


See [[User Talk:Jioruji Derako|this page]], please. --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 23:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>''[http://twitter.com/SUPER_32X/status/37513394747740160 Its (Arceus') shape doesn't change, so it doesn't have "formes."]''</blockquote>


:From what I can see, the current signature doesn't break the policy; those symbols on either side of the name aren't images, they're still text (special characters, to be exact). Unless I'm not seeing something else there... --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|<font color="#237d00"> '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>'''</font>]]<small>[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|<font color="#237d00">''.cнаt'''''^'''</font>]]</small> 06:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd let you know. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sup></sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sub></sub></span>]]</span> 21:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 
== Uhh, Hi ==
 
A LOT HAS CHANGED, so go to Fabu-Vinny for the deets--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 19:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks, will do. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 19:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
::First NO USERPAGE EDITS.  For the rest, u'll find changes on most species pages--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 19:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
::Most trainers now have their pictures and party tables (they Have G4 sprites)--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 19:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, I already knew that, but thanks. What are G4 sprites? --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 19:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I assume he means the party tables on the Caracters of the days. (He's been making a big deal about them.) ''[[User:Moldy orange|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 20:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
:::::Generation IV.  And it's also movie characters--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 20:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
::::::But where would you put them? And how much longer is the ban on userpage edits going to last? --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 20:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 
:::::::What do u mean--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 20:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Where do you put them? Since we can't edit our user space. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 18:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 
The actual anime characters in the main namespace!--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 15:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yay! We can edit our userspace again! --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 05:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Don't be crazy about it though...only 3 a day or else the same will happen AGAIN. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 17:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 
== Mediation ==
 
I think you're on to a good idea here, and I'd like to give you a hand. I wouldn't hold your breath for extra powers though, I highly doubt we'd get admin (the next highest editing privilege up from standard editor) just for wanting to be nice to people :( Still it's worth a shot. I feel there's a big need here for some "power control", as you can probably tell from my UT page and some other talk page contribs. :D &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 07:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Lol interesting discussion page. Well, adminship would be nice, but I really want to make sure that the ones we have are doing what they're supposed to be doing. As you can see from the top of my userpage I had a run-in with a very nasty admin before and it disturbs me to know that they would allow someone with such anger issues to be an admin on such an otherwise great site like this (though in my experience that's often the way it goes, you don't really see things like this on Wikipedia because there's so many admins and regulations keeping things in check, on smaller ones there's fewer and so the likelihood of running into a God-mod is bigger). --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 23:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ditto everything you have said. I've previously read through your run-in with Pikablu, and I agree it was highly unfair. TTE seems to have given it the go-ahead (on somewhat of a trial basis) so let's just prove to the "admins" that you don't need truckloads of edits to be an awesome user, just a cool head and calm frame of mind :D I look forward to working with you. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 23:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Will do my best! It's nice to know be able to ensure that a balance of power exists and that I can help make sure of it. I'm gonna try to make as many contributions as I can, though I'm not really on too much. ^^; --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯⲛօӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 23:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 
==Userspace limits==
Hi. I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. Please don't do it any more, though. Bulbapedia's {{bp|Userspace policy}} restricts the amount you can edit your userpage: no more than three edits per day. This policy was instated to prevent strain on our server, and also to promote people helping out in the {{bp|mainspace}}. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal userpage. The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your userpage. Thanks! --<span style="color:red">—<small>♥</small></span> <b>[[User:Jello|<span style="color:orange">Jel</span>]][[User Talk:Jello|<span style="color:#90a8e0;">lo</span>]]</b> 21:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I thought that was the user''page,'' my mistake. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 23:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Creating pages and templates

Hi Venomoth. When you next create a page or a template, be sure to categorise it so that it can be found later and doesn't end up here. With that said, your recent contribution Template:Pkm was not required. The word Pokémon isn't terribly hard to write using alt-codes (e.g. Alt+130) or the character palette below the screen. It encourages laziness and has been deleted now. —darklordtrom 02:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Laziness? That's the point of templates: To provide a shortcut. I don't think it should be deleted, although I did create it before I noticed the "Poké" in the Character palette of editing pages. Thanks for the nomination! ...I think. =$ --*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* 06:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Kenhorou

...is not a branched evolution, so it should not be treated as such. It evolves into the same Pokemon, it just has a (significant) gender difference. 梅子 01:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

It still needs to be added, in all cases of Pokémon with form differences, such as Meloetta, Rotom and Shellos we always include those in the evolution. I guess when we get a infobox image of the female we can have the page alternate like on the rest of the of them. --*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* 01:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Except it's a gender difference, not a form difference. Please refrain from adding it back to the article. 梅子 02:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
If we do Kenhorou then we have to do these guys too. It's silly to do one gender and not the others just because it's more noticeable. --ケンジガール 02:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
By the way, that is not an invitation to add branched evolutions to Venusaur's page and such. 梅子 02:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
That's a good list, but most of those are so minor, we clearly see that Kenhorou is very dimorphed, like Burungel, which has an alternating page. I'm not saying we have to for all of them, I just thought it made sense to do it for the most obvious ones. --*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* 04:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Forme switching

All Forme switchers are to be discussed with TTEchidna.--MisterE13 21:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

If I can ever message her his talk page, that is. By the time I get to it she's he's usually got it closed. --*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* 00:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
TTEchidna is a dude. Also, he's taking some time away from Bulbapedia atm; direct those sorts of discussions to whichever member of the Editorial Board or administration team you think is suitably qualified to handle it. —darklordtrom 00:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, I'm usually really good at guessing people's gender by their writing style - rare mistake. =P --*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* 00:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Consensus

Two people a consensus does not make. Especially when you have a third person who disagrees. Werdnae (talk) 23:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Firstly it's three now to two. Will comment more @ Your talk page. Vemoth 00:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Courtesy

Hi! evkl here. If you're unhappy with all the pedia staff and me based on the outcome of that thread, that's okay. But I don't appreciate you saying I closed off discussion because I expected to lose the debate. You could continue to post the same sorts of arguments you were posting and I could continue to engage and rebut them in a way I thought reasonable. But that's tedious. I also don't think it would end. And frankly, I don't think you were interested in a reasoned discussion on the issue designed to reach a logical conclusion. I think you wanted (and still want) your way. Which, again, you're entitled to desire and think. But please don't accuse me of impropriety--in this case, that would be closing a thread to stifle debate. Or, if you really think I am just trying to silence dissenters, I'd appreciate if you came to me and talked about it instead of mentioning it in passing on a talk page behind my back.

Thanks.

-- evkl (need to talk?) 05:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

No, I did want a reasonable discussion. I came up with at least 14 different reasons why I was correct and not one of the maybe 5 people on the opposed side that bothered to post anything could out-explain or out-reason them. I was wondering if anyone would make me have a "Gee, I never thought of that! Fair enough, you're right." moment, but it never happened. What do I have to gain by having a couple lines of Wikipipe with a 15 pixel image and asterisk put on the Grass-type page? Nothing. But that's what I was saying we should have because it's in step with all other similar cases and I believe it's true to the story of Pokémon. To be frank, I was offering reasons and it seems to me that you and others were just offering opinions. I wasn't really posting that behind your back because I had already linked it and directed it to you and anyone could've clicked it, but that is what you did do, you did just for no real reason close a discussion. And I don't really care. I have my reasons, you and the other 21 have your feelings, I suppose. Vemoth 06:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Word of God Sugimori

Its (Arceus') shape doesn't change, so it doesn't have "formes."

Just thought I'd let you know. 梅子 21:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)