User talk:Tiddlywinks

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Pokémon Legends: Arceus Version

Why was this deleted? It was made for people who mistakenly use the wrong link template and complain about the resulting redlink.

I did create the Super Glitch (move) (intentionally typing the full title) redirect again because deleting it caused so many redlinks to suddenly pop up, based on how the learnset template works. Creating Pokémon Scarlet and Violet Versions was a measure to prevent redlinks from the wrong link template. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 08:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Next time, please ask first.
We don't encourage people linking to bad targets. If a target is linked to, I'll consider it staying, but the "version" title is not linked to.
I do notice that many games have various redirects. I checked one,, and it does have links. I'm sure others don't. Honestly, I think some could definitely be pruned, but it's not worth it for me to try to exhaustively examine all the past games. For now, like I said, a "version" title for Arceus isn't linked to and isn't needed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Scarlet and Violet got the "version" redirect out of practice. As prior to XY, all titles had the version in their names. For LA, it has never been referred to with the "version" in the end. If someone incorrectly uses the version templates (and any of its variations) for Legends, that's kinda their own fault.--ForceFire 11:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Game-exclusive Pokémon/Archive1

I thought I'd let staff know, if they didn't already, that the archived talk page for Game-exclusive Pokémon still needs to be moved to Version-exclusive Pokémon. Thanks! Landfish7 05:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

In regards to Playerking95's talk page archive, thanks for cleaning up my mess. When trying to help them archive their page, I should have just let the policy page that I linked speak for itself instead of giving an erroneous shortened explanation. I'll be more careful moving forward. Landfish7 03:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


LiamMain50695983 appears to be a spambot. Landfish7 02:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Generation superscript

Since you added "changed type" section to type pages, I'd like to ask you if there could be a template with generation number in superscript (Rotom(V+)). Such templates already exist for games (Template:Sup/8 ) and I think it could be useful on many pages, like the ones that mention Pokemon with changed type.--Rocket Grunt 16:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing about the game templates is they do a lot more. The names are much longer, and as you get earlier you have to remember to add "version/s" correctly, and each game of a pair is colored separately. But for generations you don't really need any of that. (I also think my recent additions are a bad example to use: if we were gonna have a single standard, that's not the format I'd suggest first. Most places, I'd usually use Gen. #. I only used (#) here because I wanted absolute minimal intrusion among the species names.) Part of the utility of templates is also readability. Sup templates for games definitely help that; but for generations, I don't think replacing any current usage would be incredibly beneficial.
But yeah...generations are super easy to link. If you really need something, there's {{gen}}, for some cases that could be plenty. If you wanna reach for more...well, just telling me abstractly that there are "many pages" doesn't plead much of a case. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The most prominent use for such template I see would be on pages of abilities. With the example of Drizzle, Pelipper could've just had "DrizzleGen. 7+ instead of writing it outside the table. Second, more important example, is of ability Scrappy for Kangaskhan. It could've just say that it got the ability in generation IV when it was introduced, but instead at the bottom there are five almost identical sentences that readers need to "ignore abilities introduced later" and there will be more each new generation. These pages literally require any reader to check each ability and each Pokemon manually to find out if such combination existed in particular generation.--Rocket Grunt 22:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I feel like sups are mainly a patch for those. I don't think the current format of the Ability pages like Drizzle and Scrappy is great, but I'm not sure immediately what to do, I'd have to give things a good look over again. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghost (literal) move proposal

I remember a while back on the Bulbagarden Discord you had expressed some ambivalence towards the recent expansion of the scope of the Ghost (literal) article from being about the ghosts of Pokémon Tower to being about ghosts throughout the Pokémon world. I was curious to hear more about your thoughts on that and how it might pertain to a potential move from Ghost (literal) to Ghosts in the Pokémon world. Perhaps the article could be split into Ghost (Pokémon Tower) and Ghosts in the Pokémon world or something of the sort? I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks! Landfish7 07:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I think for me (at the moment), the Kanto "ghost" is a little weird compared to everything else; the Kanto thing is a specific mechanic, while everything else is kinda abstract. I think it's a little weird on the page "Ghost (literal)", but it maybe sorta feels weirder for a page called "Ghosts in the Pokemon world" (maybe). I personally think a Ghost (Pokemon Tower) page could work fine. But I don't know about anyone else.
The alternative is that that section could just be winnowed down, instead of just letting all its content coast. All gameplay stuff could be shifted to Pokemon Tower, and the section on the ghost (whatever) page could be a little more generic like the rest of its topics. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:Event distros

2 minor things I wanted to say, since that template is locked:

1) The List of undistributed event Pokémon page is linked on the template in 2 places now; I'd remove it from the "Special Pokémon from games" section... None of these are from the games anyway considering they were all found on distribution hardware or the Wonder Card server, so it doesnt really fit in anyway.

2) Regarding the List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII) page, reason I suggested to merge it on the Poketimes page name was because all the pokémon come from that twitter channel, and the Pokémon distributed from there are kinda unique in that there not from any template... previous traded pokémon such as the ones in List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI) and before in the very early generations when that was the norm of distribution were loaded from templates on to game carts and traded away to recipients. These are just normally bred/caught pokemon given ingame items with a lot of variance to reach certain characteristics before being traded away... thats kinda why I had a very hard time calling that page an "event page"... Idk what the best solution is but, I made some changes to the heading hope you don't mind. -- 4iamking (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Everything from Gen III is from the games.
Oh. I just thought all trades were like that. (Except early gen ones where that's exactly what "events" were. But at least since more formal "events" were made.) But taking a minute to think about it, I guess it makes sense. In that case, the contrast should be highlighted.
Also, even if Poke Times was involved, they plainly aren't all by Poke Times. There's a whole "V Jump" section. (Even if it were, it's not, like, an inherent thing, it shouldn't really be in the intro.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Updating Menu Sprites

Greetings! I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but we got confirmation [1] that more Pokémon will receive menu sprites in the style of BDSP and SV in the future (unclear if it's all of them or just possibly returning ones from the DLC). You are already in the middle of adding all the zeros, so I think it's best to ask you. Shouldn't the eventually renamed redirects point to the BDSP/SV menu sprites when applicable? Around 60% of the Pokémon now have them, and the moves pages would look a lot better (until we get the Sugimori artworks implemented there). Consistency is is already gone, but we might eventually get it back with this style.

Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't really see what you're talking about. Can you explain more concretely? Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Here's an example: the "File:004MS.png" redirect currently links to "File:004MS8.png", the menu sprite from SwSh. I'm suggesting that once we get around renaming the redirect to "File:0004MS.png" it should link to "File:Menu SV 0004.png". And so on. If a Pokémon is not in SV, it should link to the BDSP menu sprite. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs)
Minor edit. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
That wasn't on my radar. And I'm not sure it should be much of a priority. I think we're generally using sprites appropriate to their game context, or else art, so I don't think there is (or should be) much use for some uniform "MS" filenames pointing at random games' sprites. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I just assumed we would continue updating the redirects, but it makes sense, and I agree. The move pages are the only ones that still use them anyways, and they will hopefully get replaced with the Sugimori artworks later this year (if the mods approve my suggestions). Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize. Well, there's so much to clean up still, I'm still inclined to leave it to sort out later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
No problem. If you need help with adding in the extra digits, let me know. I don't know which pages you are prioritizing. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm kinda working from the Archives for the moment and trying to clean up bad filenames. And/or I'm also looking at fixing up MSP/9 calls at the moment. But one real big thing, there's ALL the infoboxes and prev/next on the species pages to update. This sort of thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
On it. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

National dex number formatting

Greetings! I started adding the extra digits to the various Pokémon lists and decided to follow the format of the ndex template. Very satisfying to look at, I must say. Since most of the templates are locked, I am requesting to change the following templates (and possibly more), so that the numbering displays all four digits and has the same font as the natdex.

Thanks in advance! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 04:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I won't be trying to do those tonight. But if you can specify exactly what changes they each/all need, it'll make things much quicker later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure. Just add this to the first column: style="font-family:monospace,monospace". But I don't exactly know how you make all 4 digits show up. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 05:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

New HOME menu sprites

Greetings! The new HOME update now has the BDSP/SV style artwork for almost every single Pokémon (no G-Max forms, Spiky Pichu, Cosplay Pichu, LGPE mascots, etc.). I have obtained all of them (they are already freely available on the internet) and have them ready for upload. The admins just need to figure out what file name and file description pattern I should follow. These are perfect for the MS redirects, since the Pokémon are resized to fit within 128x128px much better (no empty space), akin to the previous style. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

message from nonexistent user

Hi. A user named BulbagardenRIP messaged me something, but you deleted their message and blocked them. What was the message about? Laziminoes (talk) 23:08, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

It's not important. Just a vandal copying and pasting the same message to several different talk pages. I wouldn't worry about it. Landfish7 23:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


Just thought I would post and congratulate you on your promotion to Editorial Board member. Congratulations--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Template: Catch/LA

Hi, Tiddly. A over month ago I've created a "prototype version" of "Catch/Entry" template to locations from Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Though I took a Catch/entry8 as base, it took a bit time to create it. I don't know it could work, especially when Pokemon locations are a bit complex, if you note a odds in weather, time-space distortions, odds for Alpha specimen, etc. So... if you could got a free time, could you look onto these templates and check they fulfill a requirements to be officially moved on main space? Of course, if they don't fulfill requirements, you may redirect them to yourself and modify them... or take a page from and use "Interactive Map Location" template to Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet locations. Choice is, of course, yours. I ask you, because I think you're a much better in that cases ^^". Initially I asked Chosen to check this, but a month passed and I've got no answer, so I've decided pass this offer to you, pal. --Modikisha (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks well done. I'd really like to see it mocked up for one of the location pages (maybe a subarea if you want), and I think you could do it about as well as I could at the moment. Could you try doing it for Obsidian Fieldlands? Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
This is more like to sub-areas. I currently check template's stability on Nature's Pantry. There's how I used:

but... results are far from expected. That's why I asked you to check and make some correction. Just like I said, I used Catch Template from Sword/Shield, but I'm not such experiented templator. If you'll get some free time, you may redirect my 3 templates "Header, entry, and footer" on your own and check on them. I've created more like a "skeleton" version for them, you may finish it... ultimately, we may follow example and on "open overworld" locations like Hisui and Paldea use "Interactive Map Location" template. I know this is long shot... but better something than nothing. Choice is yours, pal. --Modikisha (talk) 13:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It seems to work well enough. From just a picture, I can't really guess what you're doing wrong. If you copy what's below, it shows up as a perfectly good table.
I'm asking you to work at it because I'm working on other things too. So if there's someone who's actively interested, it's better if you can do some footwork too rather than everything bottlenecking on the time of one person. If you're leaving it all for when I'm ready, I've got a few things on my plate that this'll be behind. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

New HOME menu sprites 2

Hi again! I'm struggling to get an answer from the staff, so I'll try you again. The BDSP/SV style artwork for almost every single Pokémon (no G-Max forms, Spiky Pichu, Cosplay Pichu, LGPE mascots, etc.) are available on the home website icon0001_f00_s0.png. I have them all ready for upload. Has this been discussed yet? What the file names should be, etc. These are perfect for the MS redirects, since the Pokémon are resized to fit within 128x128px much better (no empty space), akin to the previous style. We can finally have them be consistent instead of having 3 different sizes and styles. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. We heard about it before, but it turned out we never figured out what to do with them. We've decided to go with Menu Home #### for the filenames. Feel free to upload them. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Trainer models

TrainerSplash is adding incompleteness templates because some pages are missing Trainer models that don't seem different enough from the models we have to be considered notable. What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather judge it when I can explicitly see every model in question. If there's a page that's "complete", let me know. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Reformatting post-Dexit event pages

I asked Chosen but he referred me over to you as the new Head of Games, and I wanted to ask because this is something that Ive wanted to do for a while but never got any feedback over. But anyway, over a year ago, I made a proposal on the Gen 8 event distribution talk page to reformat the Nintendo Switch event pages. Instead of continuing to list events by distribution matter, given the state of the current main series games, I think its more beneficial to list Nintendo Switch event pages based on the game the event was distributed to.

Basically I see 2 standout benefits for doing this:

  • 1 - It would make it simpler and more manageable to read when seeing what events you can obtain on a game specifically, in an era where a lot of Event Pokémon aren't compatible with other games of the same generation, and the event distributions themselves needing different templates due to game specific mechanics and coding quirks, it makes it easier to separate this information. (this wasn't a thing before LGPE, Gen-7 and before all events of the same generation shared a template format which allowed for the same coded Pokémon to be distributed in ORAS as in XY for example).
  • 2 - Distribution methods are basically reduced to being 90% serial code and password based these days, and the other distribution methods are all basically the same in terms of their execution, so that leaves us with 1 very long page and a few other lists that barely have a handful of events on them. Just combining all the SwSh events on 1 list still makes a slightly smaller list than the current page with all gen 8 serial code events, but above all the lists would be more relevant to readers who just want to see just what was available in their game specifically.

Since it is a bit of a change to do this, I think it would be better to seek approval first, before unilaterally implementing such a reshuffle but nobody has commented on the talk page either so can you maybe see? I put pages on my user space (See: SwSh / BDSP / LA) just to simulate what the gen 8 lists would look like, though I think we should really be doing this for gen 9 as well, and move the LGPE list for name consistancy if it gets approved.

Haven't been very successful thus far in getting any sort of response from anyone really on the wiki so I was wondering what you think...

Thanks!-- 4iamking (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

That is a complicated issue. I'll need to mull it over for a while to figure out how I really feel about all those recent events. (Feel free to leave a message again if it's been a few days.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Heya, just a quick followup to see if you have any further thoughts that you'd like to share to this proposal yet? :)-- 4iamking (talk) 19:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
To put my understanding in my own words: since Gen 8, events for a given game (pair) cannot be claimed by any other games. So event pages should be by game instead of by method.
That seems fair to me. And all that'd be in Template:Event distros for Gen 8+ would be the games?
For a quick note, somewhere in the first paragraph of these by-game pages (like User:4iamking/List of event Pokémon distributions (Sword and Shield), I'd like to see a note highlighting that [SwSh/whatever] events cannot be claimed by other games or are strictly separate or whatever. Just because it's different than how events have worked.
Also, this will require changing how a lot of events are linked. That's not super simple. I don't know if I really wanna orphan existing event links by removing any of the by-method pages right away. I kinda feel like we should mainspace your userspace pages...and probably update the template, kinda orphaning the by-method pages. Then you work on changing links, and finally when they're all done, then I'll dispose of the by-method pages (maybe merge them into a by-game page just for the histories). Does this sound good? Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Well yeah its 2 things really though, I think its important to split the pages by game just given compatibility issues between games on switch but the idea behind merging the lists is more that I think its nice to have everything on the same page and not too many lists, especially since right now its extremely rare for an event not to be distributed by serial code and most switch games cant receive an event anyway in an offline manner anymore anyway, so any other lists just tend to list no more than a handful of events that makes navigating that handful of events on a separate page just more cumbersome. We can discuss if we want to section the pages off by distribution type as Boblers suggested but I personally like just keeping everything chronological especially as its pretty clearly mentioned in the event table how they are distributed but I think thats a less important detail right now.
But that sounds good then, sounds good to me, though fixing links is just a matter of cleaning Special:WhatLinksHere, most of the links are on the Pokémon pages that I can quickly update. I shall get on that right away :) -- 4iamking (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Great. Lemme know when the old pages can be disposed of. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I think I got everything, most of the rest on the list is just clutter being linked by Template:Event distros, if that template can get updated, then I can just check 1 final time to make sure nothings been missed :) -- 4iamking (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Checked em all now, everything missed is taken care of, so the old pages should be all clear to be made redundant and have the edit summaries merged. -- 4iamking (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think I did everything up right. Lemme know if anything else needs done. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
think you got it all, I undid your redirecting of List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII) since that page is not merged, I really dont even like to call those Pokémon "event" pokémon at all considering that they dont come from event templates and are completely their own thing, but thats why they should be a seperate page. -- 4iamking (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
if anything maybe that page should be added next to the "game-based" distributions in the event distros template.-- 4iamking (talk) 01:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

What happened to Force Fire?

Why has Force Fire blocked themselves and stopped everyone from editing their talk page? They were one of the most prolific contributors, something bad hasn't happened?Huntress (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't really have any more information than anyone else. We're fairly confident it wasn't a hack or something, but beyond that... Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

About References

Hello! Hope you're well. I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with your statement regarding my latest edits on the list of references in the Pokémon games. I understand the whole point regarding the Alice in the Wonderland thing (despite still thinking that could merely be just a coincidence), but can't say the same about the other one. I can nowhere see anything that proves a concrete reference to it. I guess one could only mark such piece as a reference if there was some sort of research around the globe to verify if the great majority of people really do tend to attribute that to the specified movie.

Anyhow, I hope I could make myself clear regarding the subject. May you have any particular information that I'm unaware of, please, inform me.

Thank you. Gust4vo (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a notice at the top page saying how the page is fan speculation. Now, there can be lines of what's "too flimsy" and all. But something like a "gangster" saying a famous mob movie line is reasonable enough. If it's generally reasonable, then people who read the page can just make up their own minds about whether they think it's really "meant" as a reference. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Fashion Item models SM

Hi, I've been working on the Trainer customization pages, when I came across your subpage Fashion. How did you obtain the models for all the clothing items? Also, can I use those models on the mainspace page Fashion item ? Is there any way to get the models/sprites/images for the other generations? → PikaTepig999 02:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

They're not my images or anything once they're uploaded. The simplest option is probably to just more or less copy to the mainspace page. I expect it's fine, but just to double-check, since you're familiar with the topic currently: is there anything amiss with the tables on User:Tiddlywinks/Fashion before I mainspace stuff? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, the mainspace page currently has info about USUM, which the userpage lacks. So I don't think that directly replacing the tables will work. I can manually check it all and add the images. However, is there a way to merge page histories, so that the edit histories can be preserved?
Also, is there any way to get similar images from other games to complete all the clothing pages? → PikaTepig999 08:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
So, editing the page is gonna be more complex that I thought. Your subpage uses some custom templates to display the images, which would need to be mainspaced. Additionally, you wil just need to add on the USUM extra clothes rows from the mainspace article to your userspace article, then you can directly copy paste the tables (only tables, rest of the article has extra prose too).
Other option is just to make slightly adjust them using the existing top, row and footer templates that are used on the mainspace page right now. Here is a mockup of how I think it will work better:
{{Fashion/s|Casual Striped Tee|カジュアルボーダーTシャツ ''Casual Striped T-Shirt''|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Black m.png|100px]]<br>Black|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Red m.png|100px]]<br>Red<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Yellow m.png|100px]]<br>Yellow<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Orange m.png|100px]]<br>Orange<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Pink m.png|100px]]<br>Pink<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Beige m.png|100px]]<br>Beige|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Green m.png|100px]]<br>Green<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Blue m.png|100px]]<br>Blue<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Navy Blue m.png|100px]]<br>Navy Blue<sup>†</sup><br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Purple m.png|100px]]<br>Purple<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Gray m.png|100px]]<br>Gray|980|Hau'oli City}}
This is the simplest workaround with the existing templates, no need to mainspace any new ones. The only change to existing templates would be a text-align:center style in the header, so that the text in the columns would be properly displayed in the center.
However, in my opinion, the extra column for Japanese name is not necessary, it can be merged shown in the english name column with a <br>. But this would break the templates, which is not just used on the fashion item page but also the individual location pages. Let me know how to proceed. → PikaTepig999 11:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Done. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for you help. → PikaTepig999 14:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Stadium 2 Mystery Gift

Hello. I answered your question in my User talk page. Have a nice day. RainingChain (talk) 12:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

List of Pokémon Adventures volumes note

Thanks for your help in improving that page, but one thing I want to let you know about is that the eISBN codes which I submitted comes for VIZ's official website from the digital versions of those volumes' pages which become available on the day of release for that volume. Wanted to let you know if I forget to add the eISBN code for both that list and the individual volume page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)