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Can we keep this until August? Maybe all summer? Don't make me archive this so soon...


Should we have the trainers on the Route pages have more information like giving the Pokémon the moves they use? Or would it be bad? Pros:

  • Gives people more information
  • Completes the Route more


  • Tables slow the server
  • Makes Bulbapedia more like a guide.

Should I find the moves of the Pokémon and such or leave it be? Pyles 19:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

No, there's no need for every Trainer in every article that includes Trainers to have the moves known by their Pokémon. The major Trainers only should have that displayed, since they're like boss battles. You don't include information on every attack from the little enemies in other games every place they appear, and so likewise, you don't for the non-major Trainers. Rivals, Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Frontier Brains, Champions, and evil team major members get that. Basically, any Trainer that has a battle and overworld sprite specific to themselves. TTEchidna 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
So it should stay as it is? Pyles 19:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep, that's what he said... In a very long and detailed way ^_^ - Kogoro | Talk to me - 19:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I got side-tracked through all the complex sentences. By the way, Kogoro I have access to Wi-Fi, so all I have to do is get a team together and we can battle. Pyles 11:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


Do you have Wi-fi?--Akaila 19:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

If I didn't have Wi-Fi, I'd have no Friend Codes. TTEchidna 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


So for the new party templates, which should we use for Silver? I’m probably gonna use the SoulSilver like his old templates are silver, but I want your opinion on it. They currently, without the updated sprites and everything, look like this:

Template:PartyHeaderTemplate:PartyBody21 Template:PartyFooter

Template:PartyHeaderTemplate:PartyBody21 Template:PartyFooter

I’m currently working with them to see what they would all look like. I'll also need to know what color should be used for the gym leaders and E4. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Use... plain Silver color. Gym and Elite use their type color. Blue uses Blue color. And if they name him as Green in the English versions, Green color. TTEchidna 22:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright. I'll eventually get them all ready for the updates. R.A. Hunter Blade 01:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Infobox hack requests

I know that I'm asking for updates on two infoboxes for a Pokémon product that has just been discontinued, but trust me, I know you wouldn't intentionally leave an infobox behind in getting update treatment. The infoboxes in question are {{TFG Figure Infobox}} and {{TFG Card Infobox}}. I tried hacking them into the newer style myself, but found it too complicated. Since you're the master template hacker, is it too difficult for you to handle? Thanks. --Shiningpikablu252 23:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. TTEchidna 00:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Nuva-kal has made a possible idea at User:Nuva-kal/TFGInfobox, if you would like to implement that instead of making a new one. MaverickNate 14:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks good. I'll modify that one then. TTEchidna 19:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Moves in the anime

Are any if you people working on the "moves in the anime" section for all the moves, because on some pages, there's a new template, but on others, it's the old one. I would, but I don't know the format...

Wait, oops, didn't sign. Leafstorm151 21:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It's slowly getting done, just like I'm very slowly doing the party templates for some characters. And you have to remember how many moves there are. It's a bit harder than you think to get some of that stuff up there... R.A. Hunter Blade 00:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Not justhow many moves, but how many anime episodes, too. Next announced one is the 600th! TTEchidna 02:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just wanted to make sure it was being done.Leafstorm151 21:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, we're getting to it. TTEchidna 21:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is my Move button activated?

Why is the move button activated on my account? I thought it was suppose to be deactivated since I'm not a mod. Kind of like how if a page is protected the edit this page and + buttons are not activated. Yami 16:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Normal members can move pages. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 16:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
We trust normal members to not be stupid when it comes to moving pages. That trust has been broken at times, though... TTEchidna 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


So I know that we have limits for how much we can edit userpages and subpages, so I've tried to keep my edits low in my box of sand. What I want to know is:

  • How much, since I'm readying the templates for HGSS, I can edit it per day. I've kept it below the borderline of 4 so far, but I've needed to get off and on frequently, and I'm trying to get these done ASAP so I have time to do the party templates for other pages.
  • Would it be possible for me to make as many edits as I needed to if I move the templates to a specific page for only them?
  • Could you eventually lock all of the GenII Kanto and the Johto gym leaders' pages, along with Silver's and the E4/Lance's pages so that people don't try to add crappy templates and mess up the coding already there?

R.A. Hunter Blade 03:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

If it's a sandbox page, go for it but don't be ridiculous about it. Intended mainspace templates can be as many edits as you want. TTEchidna 04:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright. And don't worry. I won't. R.A. Hunter Blade 14:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


hy you. are you good at wiki syntax for templates? on pokewiki i have build a similar template to your Type effectiveness... but i can only use 5 or less of this on one page.. could you look to optimate it? --Hanmac 09:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Where would you need to use five of them on the page? TTEchidna 01:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Guess Who

ok first go to my talkpage for my full sorriness. Second how do you get your signature like that, where do you put in the coding? and Finally, where do you create usetags? totoRulz'''[[User:Totojo158|<span style="color:#DAA520">''toto''</span>]][[User talk:Totojo158|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">Rulz</span>]]''' 20:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Make sure you have the raw signatures box checked off. R.A. Hunter Blade 01:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Not just that, you gotta not use crappy HTML in it. TTEchidna 01:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I need help

Do you know of an image of the RPGwiki logo?alec9 * - * 04:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Here ya go. TTEchidna 04:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Berry Locations

A looooong time back (December, 2007) you made a large group of edits to different pages about berries. You did a lot of reformatting, organized it more, and added some new info. Among the places to obtain the berries (under Gen. III) you put the pickup ability for a lot - if not all - of them. You put Emerald and FR/LG for a lot. However, there are absolutely no berries that can obtained this way in Emerald; you must have been confused. Just wanted to let you know about this little mistake. Timeroot TalkContribs] 00:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Being that it's so long ago... I say meh to reminding me of it. TTEchidna 01:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


yes it looks like ... but

  1. the notes in the PW-box are automatic from the type and the ability.
  2. you need no newfire or oldghost entry because it will calc automaticly
  3. the same as the ic in the rows

look: de:Vorlage:Typ_effizienz ... so you only need the type and not the values for fire,water, gras, etc ---Hanmac 10:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

But that's the point: either you enter stuff manually or the amount of calculations is too much for the server and thus the template crashes. TTEchidna 19:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
it is possible to do both? i dont get parameters i should calc, i get parameter, i "dont" calc. ? --Hanmac 19:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
What you seem to want to do is use the types and abilities entered into the template to calculate the type effectiveness. That's all good for most Pokémon, but since Arceus uses the template 17 times, it's inefficient. What mine does is autocalculates based on the effectiveness we have. TTEchidna 20:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
and i mean if the template it can both .... or need I a second template?--Hanmac 20:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Calc + manual = bad. Just use the manual method of doing it. TTEchidna 20:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

New templates?

Care if I make templates for Trainer lists on Trainer class pages (such as Cool Trainer or Bug Catcher)? In my opinion the current lists look very ugly, and I want to make them better. :] UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You mean like this?--Clarky13 11:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
it looks nice, but what will you do if a trainer have a male and a female form?
what do you think about de:Ass-Trainer_(Trainerklasse) --Hanmac
Not the place Hanmac.--ForceFire 12:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm still working out the kinks.--Clarky13 12:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
He probably means the list of locations where they can be found. Kevzo8 11:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant the location list. I chose the examples badly as it seems that the Cool Trainer page doesn't have such a list at all. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 11:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Ahhhh... I see.--Clarky13 12:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Teehee. Hanmac said "Ass". TTEchidna 08:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, shall I start designing new templates? UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 10:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Anime dex entries

It's ok to start adding anime dex entries from Theryguy512's project into Pokémon articles? (He confirmed, but asked me to confirm with you also.) - Rikki Kitsuneリッキ 13:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

As long as you italicize the Advanced Generation series and Diamond & Pearl series. AND MAKE SURE TO USE AN & FOR THE DP SERIES. TTEchidna 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


Should episode synopses be in present or past tense? I've seen both, and I think they should all be one way or the other. --Galladeon 07:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Present tense, It's a sypnosis on a day on which Ash and his friend were present.--ForceFire 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
But it happened in the past. Do we tell stories in present tense? Usually not. --Galladeon 08:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Past tense that crap. Plz. TTEchidna 08:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I've created a new template in my sandbox for this. Should I make it official? --ルレ 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Eh. Really you could change it yourself... TTEchidna 08:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion the synopses sound more natural when they're in present tense. I also think that most synopses already written are in present tense, so if they'd be converted, it would take a long time. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 10:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Whichever flows better. If it works in the present tense, work it. TTEchidna 18:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


When did Nintendo officially state that Leaf is loosely based on Blue? How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for FRLG? - Spideym 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Because she is the used player character of FRLG. As for being based on the unused female from RGBY, that's who Blue herself is based on. Since the unused girl didn't have a name, Blue's the closest we've got, especially considering that promo art Sugimori did that was reused by Special... TTEchidna 18:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Oops. Meant to write "How do you know that she isn't merely based on the unused female player character for RGBY?".
But if the Blue part in the Soul article refers to the unused girl for RG, then why does it link to Pokémon Special's Blue? - Spideym 20:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, because there is no girl named Blue in Gen I. Blue is the rival. Special Blue has the design of the girl so she's the best to link to. TTEchidna 21:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Game character naming policy

I understand the naming issues with chracters (across game, anime and manga etc.) and was writting up a local list myself to consolidate the links between each for quicker reference.

I realised there wasn't really a set explanation of a consistant method for game character naming used on Bulbapedia. I also checked for a policy on this and was suprised to not see one.

Looking over the talk pages, i see mention of different methods such as default names and/or hidden data trainers that have been used to name the game characters over the generations. This seems rather inconsistant and without much public explanation for review and confirmation.

I'm unsure as to where a specific default name is obtained, especially in cases where the default name is not in the list of default names on the game (namely brendan, may, lucas and dawn). It was hinted it was by not entering a name (for player/rival), but the player list picks one at random, where as the rival is the first name on the list. Both lists differ by version though, so it's not possible to use those lists for naming of the characters (Tested with Fire Red only tbh). The lack of recording these hidden default names in the articles makes the names seem like unfoudned claimes and lacking citation.

I propose these names be recorded with some note on how they're obtained in the MoS or something. It would be a great help and any explanation is appericiated. --Zeal T / C 02:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Most of it can be checked on the specific talk pages. We shouldn't need to put an explanation on every danged article about where we got the names, most especially since they're well known. The main problem that comes up is when fans come up with "LOL WHY LEEF WHY NOT GREEN *move move move*" No one just accepts that despite being a fansite we do check stuff over before naming things. TTEchidna 03:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
The problem is in most cases the information isn't on the talk pages. I'm not asking for an explanation on every page, just an explanation in the MoS or policies.
You say they're well known, when the only evidence i see for that is the bulbapedia articles themselves who have made them well known. I'm not trying to suggest you're putting up false information either, but i am saying that the methods you've chosen for naming appear to be arbitrary without any evidence to show how the names are chosen (as well as the the differing methods).
The nature of a wiki generally doesn't allow something like that, so i'm shocked this is considered an exception. It makes it near impossible to use your naming in any legitmate work without the explanations as there's no way to confirm the research, which is where i'm having trouble.
If anything Leaf is the one i find easiest to believe, as it's roughly explained. It's pretty much all the others i'm having issues with.
I can only guess it started out with the first name on the default list for players from first version (Red, Gold) is chosen for the male player character and the same for the rival list (as it's always the opposite), resulting the the third always the female, which seems fitting for back then. But starting with RSE, the names you've chosen aren't even in the default name lists and without explanation, so those names are seemingly pulled out of thin air without explanation or a reference to where they're from.
I hope you can understand my dilema. :/ --Zeal T / C 14:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I might be wrong, but I'd remember that the opposite player's name (May, Brendan, Lucas, Dawn) is mentioned in the game's conversations when playing with the opposite gender character. Dawn is mentioned at least in Pt when playing as Lucas. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 15:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that's exactly the sort of thing i was looking for, will check up as soon a i find where i put ruby :S --Zeal T / C 15:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Exactly. Most are obvious. You could similarly say that the name Brock is pulled outta nowhere for our buddy with the Croagunk, but it's in the games. His name's Brock. People address him as that. The anime, people address him as that. That's where Brendan, May, Lucas, and Dawn come from. That's their official game names. TTEchidna 19:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Not "exactly". He's not a character with a customisable name. The "official" game names are nothing more than fans using various methods to determine what they think their intended names are until an official one is given elsewhere (and for my purposes, i need to seperate incarnation where they are different). The fact that a set name actually being given is a rarity for these characters is why when names are actually given, it should be noted as such. The anime characters are not even the same, so no point trying to use that as a source even if the given names do end up matching.
It would seem you're still not getting the fact that "because we say so" is not good enough. It's expected of an encyclopedic wiki to provide references and explanation for others to refer to and research themselves. When something is arbitrary but needs to be set for the purpose of the wiki (fan info due to lack of official), that usually falls into the realm of policy to set the precedent for people to follow and/or make note of the variation. It's something i've delt with extensively on WoWWiki, yet Bulbapedia does nethier right now. If you feel that's not the job of the wiki, then nevermind, as i must be banging my head against the wall.
Thanks again for the help Ultimate Sephiroth. Confirmed for Brendan and May (i wish the latest gen didn't have the new game protection :/) and has set me on the path to try and decipher bulbapedia's methods so i can better choose my own. --Zeal T / C 19:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Red (game) is named as such during Gold/Silver as is Blue (game). Brendan (game) and May (game) are named as such if you choose the opposite gender as are Dawn (game) and Lucas (game). The only ones without truly official names are Leaf (game), Gold (game), Silver (game), Kris (game), Pearl (game) and Soul (game).--MisterE13 19:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


Digger Drill- i dont think it is a stub, that is all the information you can get for it. totoRulz 15:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

We don't have a stub status removal committee, nor am I that. You think it's good, then remove the tag. TTEchidna 19:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
ok. totoRulz 20:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)