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I see you've taken Submission out of Ash's Charizard's move template, but I think you shouldn't have done that: I've seen the Japanese version, and the command for Submission (the actual move) is also in there. Besides, I think what Ash said was "aerial Submission", not "Aerial Submission." --FinnishPokéFan92 13:07, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

If I may butt in, I was thinking of raising the issue myself, having watched the episode today. Personally, I think that SnorlaxMonster has done the right thing, there is nothing to suggest that, like Counter attack/counterattack, Ash wasn't just telling Charizard to force a submission on Magmar. The producers wouldn't have Toon Ganondorf (t c) 13:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Route 5

I'm guessing you're the admin who closed the edit war over route 5, and it turned out in my favor, which isn't really my personal favor as much as it is common sense. The Liepards are never generated before the battle ensues, and any combination of Pokemon (species and gender) on that route can occur, so I have no clue why the person kept reverting it back to the "mated Liepards"

Long story short, thanks for ending the edit war. (Is this even where I'm suppose to post this sort of thing?) - unsigned comment from Johto-Master (talkcontribs)

You are correct, it was me. I don't really understand why it would be that way either. Just note that in future, it is better to discuss the edit on the other user's talk page or the talk page of the article, or simply contact an admin to resolve the conflict. Edit warring like you did is not permitted, even with good intentions. To answer your final question, here is probably the best place to put that sort of thing. --SnorlaxMonster 12:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Al right, sorry. I use Bulbapedia a lot, but this was my first time I was compelled to edit anything, because it seemed insanely odd. This is also my first time dealing with the "User pages" and want to know how to customize a bar like the one on the right side of your profile that says you speak English and are an Atheist etc. Or is that for Admin's only?--Johto-Master 13:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Nope, anybody can use it. You can't create a userpage until you are "autoconfirmed" though, which occurs after a secret number of edits and period of time. If you make a few more edits to Bulbapedia, you will be able to make one. This page is specifically designed for helping users to use what we call "usertags" (what you were asking about). The userspace policy also outlines the userspace in general. --SnorlaxMonster 13:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Guess every time I'm compelled to fix something I will, but I don't see myself going out of my way for it.--Johto-Master 13:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Random Pokémon using

Hi SnorlaxMonster, i was wondering if i could use your random Pokémon thing for my page, if that's okay with you. Azure/ChromeVoid42 16:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Same. If so, thanks! ♣♣ Ƒǿҫὑṩ ❺❽ ♣♣ 16:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure. To make it all you need to do is put {{User:SnorlaxMonster/Random}} on your page, and it will put it there for you. --SnorlaxMonster 01:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DP049 needs some trivia added...

I'd add that the episode was skipped in New Zealand for an unknown reason, but I can't, because the top says "Do not add any trivia" due to the high BW server load.
~~LDEJRuff~~ 16:07, 5 July, 2011 (EDT)

It's not that I didn't see your request, I was just getting around to it. I feel that skipped episodes are rather important to be noted. --SnorlaxMonster 08:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

Can you edit the Pokedex template so that entries from Pokemon Stadium 1 are recognised? I've left tons of posts on its talk page about this (as well as Red & Green and Japanese dex entries), but I've never had a reply. And the template is protected so only Admins can edit it. Apparently they were removed as the Dex entries were the same as the Game Boy ones, but that only applies to Pokemon Stadium 2. Here's a youtube video confirming the dex entries, saves going onto every individual page. Cheers in advance. XVuvuzela2010X 21:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


As i told Cold, Confusion doesn't have the same effect and PP as Psychic, but still is considered the weaker version of the move. The thing i see the most, that makes Hurricane and Gust look alike is because of the Moves's similarities of the use of wind, and their names ( Real-life Hurricanes actually being very strong Gusts) Pokeand 17:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

We talked about it, and decided that moves being weaker or more powerful versions of each other shouldn't be noted. --SnorlaxMonster 04:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Video Requests

Hi, Snorlax. I'm sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you said it was technically advertising. See, the thing is, I discovered that glitch, and I felt like I didn't receive the credit. If you looked at Zowayixx's video, it said that I discovered it, yet that it seemed that Bulbapedia was giving him the credit for it. Is there any way that we could still use his video but give me credit for finding his glitch? Thank you for your time.Pupcakepup 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Battle Pike Wild Pokémon

Yes, the levels in Open Level only apply if at least one of your Pokémon is level 100. Basically, Seviper and Milotic are 4 levels weaker while Dusclops, Electrode, Breloom and Wobbuffet are 5 levels weaker.--Tempest370 17:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thought as much. What do you think of formatting it like that? --SnorlaxMonster 00:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

New Signature?

How do you make a new signature, and how do you make it colorful? --YoshisWorld 23:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)YoshisWorld

To change your signature, go to Special:Preferences, and modify it in the box which is labelled "New Signature". To make it colorful, you need to add <span style="color:#COLOR">TEXT</span>, with the text you want to make colorful in place of "TEXT", and either the hexadecimal value of the color where the word color is. You can get hexadecimal colors from color templates like {{Normal color}}, but you cannot put the template itself into your signature, as templates are not permitted in signatures. See the code used in my signature (by editing without saving) for more help -> SnorlaxMonster 02:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Move's description.

I guess you forgot about this, since I have no reply to it. And no idea where I could place that section you mentioned. Marked +-+-+ 07:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. Feel free to leave your opinion here. --SnorlaxMonster 09:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Can you (or anyone else reading this who's bored and wants to try something really new) do me a huge favour and take care of the Danish article on Bulbanews right now? I know you're really busy over here but I really don't have any time right now. It needs a bit of a rewrite to make sense and the form seems to be mostly incomplete :/ Sorry to give you a mess. Thanks in advance. —darklordtrom 10:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion: combine all the M13 DVD release articles. I would, but I got a headache. I might mess up something :D tc²₆tc26 10:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
That's a good idea. (And I don't mind if you mess up provided the site doesn't crash. Also, don't move or redirect any of the existing ones.) —darklordtrom 10:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
You caught me AFK. Well, if tc isn't doing it due to his headache, I'll go do it now. And I like that idea of merging it with the other DVD article too. --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Template help needed

I've noticed you're good with templates, so I was wondering if you could help me with a template I created on the archives? I'm trying to fix it so that it would say, for example, Ash's Bulbasaur using Leech Seed in the anime. But I don't know how I would add the entry for the trainer in. XVuvuzela2010X 02:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I still doesnt appear to be working unfortunately, for example if I type in
{{User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime|Ash|Pikachu|Thunder|the anime|type=Electric}}
it ends up saying Ash using Pikachu in the anime, and if I instead replace it with
{{User:Vuvuzela2010/Template:MvAnime|Ash's Pikachu|Thunder|the anime|type=Electric}}
it does say Ash's Pikachu using Thunder in the anime, but it links to Ash's Pikachu (Pokémon). XVuvuzela2010X 03:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm actually going to create a demo on the talk page for you. I agree, it is a good idea. --SnorlaxMonster 03:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I will also need some template help as well for mine to see if I am doing it right. PattyMan 03:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I've got a whole bunch of examples here. I also forgot to include the "trainerlink" parameter, whose function is obvious.
Regarding that Abilities template, I would just paste the code from the old one, and change move terms to Ability terms. However, Abilities don't have types, so something would need to go in place of what is currently a TM. At best, I would suggest Ability Urge, but there is probably a better option. I would rather not use an anime image, due to the sheer size.
Also, we could probably set both of these templates up to work with the manga too, just with a simple third parameter (so no "<name>=") which is either "anime" or the name of the manga, such as "Pokémon Adventures". --SnorlaxMonster 04:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
For both of the templates, what about the Pokémon that is in the image but is not using the attack such as James's Carnivine in the the Rock Head image and a Starmie in the Tackle image. The same will apply if there are more than two Pokémon in the image. PattyMan 04:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
I felt that it didn't need to be in the summary. Basically, you would just add [[Category:Carnivine]] to it as well as the template. We don't currently mention them in the summaries anyway. I mean, I could code it in, but what if there were multiple targets? Which reminds me, some moves have multiple users (such as a:File:Victreebel Arbok Tackle.png); I would suggest just putting the template on twice. --SnorlaxMonster 06:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

About splitting the Battle Frontier articles...

What??? Don't tell me that you'd prefer to have a bunch of stubs instead of two very organized, high quality articles. Besides, this was already discussed before: [1] [2] I believe that it's ridiculous to turn two featured articles into lists of links to short stubs about the facilities.--Tempest370 18:36, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Stubs? You must be joking. Those articles are huge. Each section is big enough for its own article. Plus, if we did, it would make it a lot easier to add the anime and manga sections to both the individual facilities and the overall frontier. It's consistent with what we usually do as well; for example: Department Stores, Game Corners, Trainer House, Passerby Analytics HQ, Big Stadium and Small Court, Battle Subway—all of which are articles about facilities (not necessarily battle facilities) in other locations which are too important to be a part of their location's article.
If we were to split them, the Gen III Battle Frontier's Battle Tower would be merged with Battle Tower (Hoenn), and the Gen IV one with Battle Tower (Sinnoh) (not Battle Tower (Johto) though, because these are being done by Generation). The List of wild Pokémon in the Battle Pyramid would become part of the Battle Pyramid article. I agree that the Battle Palace has a very short section at the moment, and in its current state it would be a stub, but there is plenty of information that can be added to it.
Also, there is plenty of non-facility content on the Frontier pages. If they can't hold up a featured article without the facilities crammed in there, then they shouldn't be featured anyway. They look like 5/7 articles forced onto one page.
The fact is that the more pages which should be separate which you cram into one, the information is omitted due to the size of the page. They were "discussed" over two years ago—we are looking at more complete, information-packed pages than before. Also, I don't consider "Should we do this?" "Nah." to be a discussion. If it had really been discussed, those sections would actually have more than two comments. --SnorlaxMonster 08:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Plus they kind of need some in depth anime and manga info...*cough* Ataro 08:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm not really sure which way you are arguing, but I agree. Splitting them will open up the anime and manga sections, and make it clear that both information on the individual facilities and the frontier as a whole is required. When you have anime and manga subsections throughout an article, you can tell it is time to split. --SnorlaxMonster 08:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Why Did You Revert Me?

? Drake Clawfang 05:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

It's one of only four Dragon-type pseudo-legendary Pokémon. It would be notable if they were all Dragon-type, but when two of them aren't, it isn't really notable. Also, you shouldn't be adding trivia anyway; see the top of every page. --SnorlaxMonster 05:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Apologies about the second point, didn't realize that was still in effect. The second point though is just confusing since the pseudo-legendary page already notes the exact point I added to the Hydreigon page. Drake Clawfang 06:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed from that page too, after discussing with a few other admins. --SnorlaxMonster 07:21, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Questions about a Gen II Glitch

I found out about this glitch which occurs in the Japanese versions of Gold and Silver, and I noticed that the 'Pedia doesn't have an article about it. I was going to write an article for it, but I got kinda confused about the whole thing; so I thought I would firstly ask to see if you or indeed anyone on the Project Glitchdex team know anything about this and might be able to offer some thoughts/advice on how to write an article on it.

Firstly, and very importantly: what would an article on this glitch be called? The link above refers to it as a 'Shiny Glitch'; however, it can occur without any Shiny Pokémon involved in it whatsoever ('creating' shiny Pokémon is just a popular use for the glitch). It wouldn't be a 'cloning glitch', seeing as it doesn't create perfect copies of Pokémon data. I was thinking then of calling it a 'Bug Catching Contest glitch'; but I'm not sure if that seems right either?

Secondly, after performing the glitch I'm not sure of its **exact** effect. The Pokémon data created is of the same species as the Pokémon that was in second, but its name and stats are different to that Pokémon; and the new Pokémon data has the same moveset as the Pokémon that was in last position, and will be shiny if the Pokémon in last was shiny. Does that mean, then, that the new data inherits the IVs of the Pokémon that was last in the party?

Do you have knowledge of this glitch, and how an article on it might be written? (Or, if it is the case, if the article should not be written?) ***shiningSteelix*** 19:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this. I think this video is the same glitch (if it is not, then please let me know, but it is as far as I can tell). The user of that Youtube account, Chickasaurus, has videos on several glitches Bulbapedia does not yet document. I do intend to get around to writing them, but I tend to try to do too many things at once. Since this one was brought up though, I'll go write it now. Also, for simplicity's sake, I'm going to use Chickasaurus's name for it too. --SnorlaxMonster 09:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi. This glitch seems to have been around since years ago, but with a slightly erroneous description. There seem to be two copies of the glitch on that site; this is the right one [3], albeit the other slightly erroneous description mentioned seems to be more widespread. I've seen the latter on really early websites predating '', and it seems like it's been spread without people really checking it.

To clarify, the glitch only works in Japanese Gold and Silver because you can't Fly away from the Bug-Catching Contest in English versions, which is probably the cause for some of the confusion. Even though this is called a Shiny Pokémon glitch, what the glitch does is basically use a donor Pokémon (like the red Gyarados) and copies its properties to another Pokémon when you withdraw it at the Bug Catching Contest, meaning you could use it for anything really (e.g. to teach an [unstable] Pikachu Surf and Fly). Since you deposited your recipient Pokémon, this means you can also get your original back and keep the new hybrid Pokémon you receive. The glitch is an exploit of being able to escape the Bug-Catching Contest and tricking the game into thinking you're still in the contest, which is why if you walked back in after walking out, saying NO to come back in then Flying away the game would force you to walk down into the void when you walk back into the entrance as if you were trying to walk out from the north.

The trick is to deposit the donor last, perform the exploit, deposit a target Pokémon underneath it, save then return after a few minutes after the contest has finished. For some reason or another, the game lets you withdraw an unstable hybrid of the Pokémon above the Pokémon you last deposited. This glitch does not copy just DVs, but everything including the name, stats, moves, etc. It copies one byte of the species, but not the other so it's basically an unstable hybrid of the original Pokémon. If you deposit it into Day Care, it will revert back into the original Pokémon, so I believe the trick is to evolve it to stabilize the Pokémon (e.g. use a stone), however the glitch will work regardless of the Pokémon used provided that you're using the Japanese version. --Chickasaurus 12:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks muchly for the clarifications on this glitch <=).

I went ahead and wrote the article now, based on the discussion here and my own knowledge of the glitch; and I'm getting 'round to linking it to the other relevant glitch pages. But still, of course, feel to edit the article in any way needed; in particular, a possible explanation as to why the glitch occurs and maybe some images (if possible) may be helpful... ***shiningSteelix*** 21:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


Good afternoon.

Is this file necessary? The four patterns shown were already uploaded to the Archives. I removed it from Form differences. It's OK if you put back, but please don't undo my edition, I also changed other stuff. |) u |( e 20:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I thought of something, the image you uploaded would be even in larger size. Tell me if you like it:
File:Pokémon Adventures Arbok patterns.jpg
Arbok's patterns as discribed in Pokémon Adventures
  • The Generation I Pokédex entries for Arbok state that there are six variations of markings on its belly that differ between regions. The pattern has differed in sprites; however, this is dependent on the game the Pokémon is in, rather than the game in which it was caught. In the Pokémon Adventures manga, Arbok's abilities vary depending on its pattern.
Arbok's known patterns
|) u |( e 20:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I didn't upload that image. I'm a little confused, but here is my opinion on the matter. I would give Arbok a subsection under the "other Pokémon" section. I'll do it soonish, when I have time. --SnorlaxMonster 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay, good idea. Arbok has even more differences, like 10 fangs and forked tongue with the first pattern and 4 fangs and pointed tongue with the other. It's enough for a subsection IMO. Thanks. |) u |( e 02:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if you have access to images of those, but if you do they would be nice to include in the article as well. --SnorlaxMonster 04:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded larger pics of the Sugimori arts, where those are visible. However, I realized the first pattern varies in the number of teeth (10 in the art, 12 in the anime, 4 in the games). I'll try to mention it properly in the article. |) u |( e 05:29, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Totally random subject.

As far as I know, there will be event(like/-ish [cross the wrong "answer"] stuff) in my country at August 20th... After reading information, I guess it will be the one that activates Ilex Forest shrine event... [4] (I'll guess you do not speak nor read in Polish :p). Marked +-+-+ 20:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Go ahead and report it on Bulbanews. Austalia still hasn't gotten that Celebi. No, I don't speak Polish. --SnorlaxMonster 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


What do you mean can't sort it? I just thought it would be easier to view the cards if you could jump to the appropriate section SuiScorpio 04:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I put class="sortable" on it, so if you click the buttons it sorts it by different columns.I can set up anchors in the template so you can link to individual card entries if you want, like on the item pages. --SnorlaxMonster 02:18, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


It's really a shame that he was deleted. We have much more minor characters covered in articles. And this one was pretty interesting. Also, what if he appears in the manga/anime? --Maxim 07:30, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

If that happens, then he will get an article. Practically every named anime character has an article. And we really shouldn't have more minor game characters have articles. --SnorlaxMonster 07:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to use your topic Maxim, but this is something I was also thinking of. SnorlaxMonster, if a character has an important role in a canon (such as Adventures) but doesn't appear in the games, neither was given a name, can an article be made for he/she? I think it would be accepted, based on these two: Trainer (EP248); Arnold's mother.
P.S.: Maxim, I think Thyme should me mentioned somewhere, maybe the admins would approve a mention in the Opelucid City article. (maybe even a redirect) |) u |( e 23:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I would just make a section on Opelucid City too. --SnorlaxMonster 02:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


Are you saying that Sneasel and Chimchar can only have Assist as an egg move in HGSS, and not DPPt? LimeGreenCharizard 04:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Sneasal and Chimchar will not know Assist if the father does in DPPt, but will in HGSS. Also, we only include Pokémon that learn it via level up and can be a father, so Delcatty should not be listed since it does not learn it, only Skitty does. --SnorlaxMonster 04:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Fine, but the reason for the confusion was because of the fact that it was messed up in the first place. And I fixed it. Also, if we're only supposed to list Pokémon by level up, then why is it that on multiple Pokémon pages that I have looked at, under their specific breeding info, this isn't true? Example:Jolteon is listed under Sneasel's page as being able to pass on Bite. LimeGreenCharizard 04:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the way it is supposed to be, but unfortunately a lot of Pokémon pages use a different standard to the move pages. They should all use that standard, where only Pokémon that can father the Pokémon and learn it via level up should be listed. If it can only be passed on by chain breeding or Pokémon which learned it in a previous generation, they should be listed, and that fact should be noted. --SnorlaxMonster 04:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi SnorlaxMonster!

I have a few questions. Remember when you replied to me on PsychicRider's talk page about the template for the regions. I asked you if it was okay to move Orre, but I'm not sure if you saw it.

My next question is about the Pokémon released by date. I have created one for Generation IV. I just want to know if a Pokémon was revealed at a gaming conference (like Kecleon at the PokeFesta event), is that considered an official reveal or leaked? I have a few more questions about other Pokemon's reveal, but can't remember, so I will ask you again once I do.

Also, how do we get all 3 pages (3rd, 4th, and 5th generations) mainspaced? It would probably be better if we combined all three generations into one article, but I want to hear your input. Han Ji-Wan 02:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in my reply; I saw it yesterday, then Bulbapedia was down (even checked with this) when I tried to reply.
Anyway, I think the Main/Side/Spin-off needs to happen. After that quote from Masuda, nobody disagreed, but nobody has actually bothered to do much about it. For it to actually happen, we need to work on getting version moved to main series, and the creation of a separate side series page. Anyway, after I left that message on your talk page, psy talked to me about it, and his main problem was the format rather than the intent.
For my Gen V one, I was pretty much going by what Bulbapedia/news did. I would say that if it revealed officially like Zoroark was, appears with a name and art (even in a leaked magazine scan), appears in the anime, or by the game they are in being released, with them available without glitches or cheating. I don't really know the circumstances of PokéFesta. Was it revealed by people playing a demo version, or was it announced there?
I never really intended for the pages to be separate. Go ahead and add your data if you want, but keep them in separate sections. Also, I would prefer having links on the dates, even if it means linking to Serebii. --SnorlaxMonster 08:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi there

What do you think: User:Sui/History of Poké Balls, mainspaceable? cheers SuiScorpio 09:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm liking it. --SnorlaxMonster 12:51, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


Someone just sign up with the username Dawnhavesexwithme, is that allowed? Truthseeker4449 13:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Nope, that's not allowed. Thanks. --SnorlaxMonster 13:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem Truthseeker4449 13:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Template Approval

So, did the two templates get approved? PattyMan 18:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I brought them up when I said I would, and a few people liked them, but also said it would be a lot of work. I'll see if I can get something happening after the Archives get unlocked. --SnorlaxMonster 12:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Move description template

Added a note (in 2 edits... Goddammit my mouse :/) after some further research. Marked +-+-+ 08:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Are you alive? Marked +-+-+ 10:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, responded on that page. And that second question sounds really weird in English (I know English is not your first language). --SnorlaxMonster 12:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


Hello, I'm new here (I joined a few months earlier but never got to edit here). Can you tell me if I can use userboxes? If yes can you give me a list of them? Flygonfanno1

Yep, userboxes are free for use by all users. Obviously you can't use staff ones though (the ones which say "I am a staff member"). Bulbapedia:Usertags should be helpful in teaching you to use them. All usertags are in Category:User tags, but in subcategories. --SnorlaxMonster 14:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

The HP Bar thing

Sorry for having so many questions but how do you do it? Like, with the Pokémon fighting and the Bag, Items, Run, and Pokémon option. And the Pokémon linking to talk page archives. Sorry for being confusing... --☆YoshisWorld☆ 23:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Spin tiles

You put a move template on spinner five months ago and didn't bother explaining why on the talk page. Do you even care? --Transfinite | Talk 00:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)